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Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: NachoRT74] #1146208 12/30/11 12:36 PM 12/30/11 12:36 PM
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 576 Escondido, CA kick_the_reverb mopar
kick_the_reverb mopar Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 576 Escondido, CA	The solution is to have an American girl fall in love with you and marry you. Ran "Hey mister, something's wrong with your car, it idles roughly" - number one comment I got in Israel when daily driving a 70 Barracuda with a lopey cam. Currently working on - 1966 Dodge A100 van 318/auto Finally - disc brakes on the front. In the plans - rear disc brakes, B&M 250 blower

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: NachoRT74] #1146209 01/02/12 06:53 PM 01/02/12 06:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,008 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,008 U.S.S.A.	Quote: I'd like, but is not that easy to get a "green card" to live in USA being foreigner. I just have "easy" the tourist deal but that's just because my spanish origins gave mne the right to the European Passport ( I have Spanish nationality allong with the Venezuelan ). I don't need anykind of permission to enter in USA as tourist, just fill a from on line to report my visit, but that's it! You have not Idea how many forms and requirements needs to get and give to the USA Embassy a regular Venezuelan to go to USA just as a tourist. And maybe just 70% or less get the aproovements. There are close to 30 million that didn't bother to get a green card , what's one more ??? ....

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: JohnRR] #1146210 01/03/12 03:48 AM 01/03/12 03:48 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España NachoRT74 OP master
NachoRT74 OP master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España	at least would be a Mopar guy without a green card LOL With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: NachoRT74] #1146211 01/03/12 04:53 PM 01/03/12 04:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo. J joedust451 super gas
joedust451 super gas J Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo.	A good machinest can streighten up that deck for you. 75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: joedust451] #1146212 01/03/12 05:08 PM 01/03/12 05:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma V Von master
Von master V Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma	What cam are you using....that will play a major role on compression, detonation, or lack there of. Im not in agreement with the comment about quench and detonation.. Ive run 1. 10.5 with 452s, shim gaskets,KB step pistons and a .509. Never a hint of detonation. QQuench in the .065 range. Varied due to the chambers on the pistons, but .065 average. 2. 10.5 with the same heads, ROL .045 gaskets, Probe flat tops. No quench. 259/259 Comp Solid. It would get very light pinging on a very hot humid OK day with 91 with 36 degrees of timing. Back the timing to 34 and no issues. 3. 9.8 with 346s and same KB step pistons. .045 Detroit gaskets. Small Comp solid. Runs fine on 89...with around .065 quench. Might run on 87. Im gonna find out. LOL. Numerous SBC dirt motors that "according to popular belief" wouldnt run on pump 91 swill...without breaking stuff. A couple of SBC street motors that were over 10 to 1 and ran fine oon 91. I did break 2 pistons in a fresh 383 SBC that was over 11 to 1. Cast pistons, 6500 RPM and pump 91 didnt do the pistons very good.....Never had any problems on a short track. Went to a big track and killed it in 12 laps... Last edited by Von; 01/03/12 06:25 PM. 72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72. Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: joedust451] #1146213 01/03/12 07:04 PM 01/03/12 07:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,008 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,008 U.S.S.A.	Quote: A good machinest can streighten up that deck for you. His problem is a good machinist is 3000 miles away ...

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: JohnRR] #1146214 01/03/12 07:13 PM 01/03/12 07:13 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo. J joedust451 super gas
joedust451 super gas J Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,221 Branson, Mo.	Quote: Quote: A good machinest can streighten up that deck for you. His problem is a good machinist is 3000 miles away ... That sucks 75 Duster, 451 10.87 @ 123.58 NA 97 Z28 6sp., 12.01 @ 115 on a 100 shot 71 Swinger. 360 magnum. 12.58 @ 105 78 cutlass, 469 BBC. 12.70 @ 108 on street tires. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2kqNmMfheU

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: Von] #1146215 01/04/12 12:04 AM 01/04/12 12:04 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España NachoRT74 OP master
NachoRT74 OP master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España	Quote: What cam are you using....that will play a major role on compression, detonation, or lack there of. Im not in agreement with the comment about quench and detonation.. Crower 282HDP With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: joedust451] #1146216 01/04/12 12:07 AM 01/04/12 12:07 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España NachoRT74 OP master
NachoRT74 OP master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España	Quote: Quote: Quote: A good machinest can streighten up that deck for you. His problem is a good machinist is 3000 miles away ... That sucks any "streighten" deck job will mean some more milling, maybe just couple cents, on the lower side but still will sit pistons more above the deck. 7 and 8 pistons are already around 0.005" above the deck. BTW today made the first start up... GREAT SOUND AND EASY FIRE UP!. Still needing to be tuned. MP dist set at 20� advance, plus will give around 14-16 initial. Purple and orange springs by the moments With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: NachoRT74] #1146217 01/04/12 12:55 AM 01/04/12 12:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,008 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,008 U.S.S.A.	Top of the pistons should be thick enough for you to mill them back to zero. You should fix the block , intake fit is going to be a nightmare as it sits ...

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: NachoRT74] #1146218 01/04/12 09:51 AM 01/04/12 09:51 AM
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360view Moparts resident spammer 3 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 8,162 USA	0.060 inches of quench will be enough for good combustion above some minimum RPM At lower RPM's combustion and knock resistance MIGHT suffer some, if the other things that mix up the air and fuel ..... tumble, swirl, and gas movement due to the burning flame fronts hitting the walls of the combustion chamber in unique ways don't make up the difference "Total Mixture Motion" the term engineers use adds all those things up at any given RPM and throttle opening. TMM goes up as the RPM increases, piston speed increases or a more open throttle increases gas flow. It is also possible to lose some Horsepower if TOO MUCH mixture motion is happening. Think of blowing onto a campfire. Normally any blowing helps a flame at first but it is possible to overdo a good thing and hit the flame with such a powerful jet that the flame gets disrupted or even blown out ... like what happens when 'Hellfighter' Red Adair would set off dynamite placed just right around a runaway burning oil well.

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: 360view] #1146219 01/04/12 09:54 AM 01/04/12 09:54 AM
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360view Moparts resident spammer 3 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 8,162 USA	more on total mixture motion and combustion: http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=23386

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: NachoRT74] #1146220 01/04/12 09:40 PM 01/04/12 09:40 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,313 Prospect, PA BSB67 master
BSB67 master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,313 Prospect, PA	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: A good machinest can streighten up that deck for you. His problem is a good machinist is 3000 miles away ... That sucks any "streighten" deck job will mean some more milling, maybe just couple cents, on the lower side but still will sit pistons more above the deck. 7 and 8 pistons are already around 0.005" above the deck. You could simply straighten it out and put a thicker gasket on it. A little late now apparently. Glad to here that you got it running....I seems like it's been a long road for you

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: BSB67] #1146221 01/05/12 12:57 AM 01/05/12 12:57 AM
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NachoRT74 OP master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España	YES, A LONG RUN!!! Sorry, I never recorded the start up. I was alone and is not posible try to "tune up" everything to the first start up and record with the phone at the time I hope you like ( still have to set the initial timming and tune up everything ( mixture and correct iddle ) it was at around 900 RPMs as far I remember https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150496075198753 If you have FB will be able to enter. Is posted on an open group With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: NachoRT74] #1146222 01/05/12 11:32 AM 01/05/12 11:32 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,008 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,008 U.S.S.A.	So is this engine assembled with the deck as screwed up as you say it is ?

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: JohnRR] #1146223 01/05/12 02:17 PM 01/05/12 02:17 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España NachoRT74 OP master
NachoRT74 OP master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España	yeap! I couldn't hold the engine assembly more. This took too much to be done and the mechanic shop need the place done because my mechanic is leaving that shop With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: NachoRT74] #1146224 01/05/12 04:08 PM 01/05/12 04:08 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,008 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,008 U.S.S.A.	Quote: yeap! I couldn't hold the engine assembly more. This took too much to be done and the mechanic shop need the place done because my mechanic is leaving that shop Then there was really no need to ask the question because you couldn't/weren't going to do anything about it , it's a moot point .

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: JohnRR] #1146225 01/06/12 01:22 AM 01/06/12 01:22 AM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España NachoRT74 OP master
NachoRT74 OP master Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,095 Valencia, España	Quote: Quote: yeap! I couldn't hold the engine assembly more. This took too much to be done and the mechanic shop need the place done because my mechanic is leaving that shop Then there was really no need to ask the question because you couldn't/weren't going to do anything about it , it's a moot point . just curiosity to know what expect. I don't think there is something wrong on that With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: NachoRT74] #1146226 01/06/12 10:04 AM 01/06/12 10:04 AM
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crlush pro stock C Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,322 Michigan	Find someone to deck the block right.

Re: 0.060"... is still decent enough for quench ? [Re: crlush] #1146227 01/06/12 11:08 AM 01/06/12 11:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,008 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,008 U.S.S.A.	Quote: Find someone to deck the block right. The engine is together and running, that's not going to happen , all he can do is hope for the best and adjust his tune accordingly. Don't get crazy on the timing advance.

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