68 Fuel Vapor Separater for 440
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Does anyone have a recommended source for these? Anything to watch for on the repos?
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Re: 68 Fuel Vapor Separater for 440
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the return hole is too large. it needs to be reduced to a maximun i.d. of .060.
Is this true of all the repos? If so what did you use to reduce the hole size?
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Re: 68 Fuel Vapor Separater for 440
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the return hole is too large. it needs to be reduced to a maximun i.d. of .060.
Is this true of all the repos? If so what did you use to reduce the hole size?
Normally they have a .060 orifice in the return nipple... if you want to make sure its .060 drill a .060 hole in a piece of 1/4 round brass stock and push it in the end of the rubber hose at the separator nipple then clamp the hose on
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Re: 68 Fuel Vapor Separater for 440
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the return hole is too large. it needs to be reduced to a maximun i.d. of .060.
Is this true of all the repos? If so what did you use to reduce the hole size?
all of them that i've used have too large of a return hole. i've been soft soldering up the hole and redrilling with a .035-.040 drill bit. factory return orifice was .060 but they used special pumps that are no longer availiable. i use carter 6903 pumps with some minor modifications.
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Re: 68 Fuel Vapor Separater for 440
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Get a Miller mig welder tip in whatever size you need cut the hose and use it as a splice. put some armor all on the welder tip and it will help you slide the hose all the way over the welder tip and you will never know it's there.
Won't you see the clamps?
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Re: 68 Fuel Vapor Separater for 440
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Get a Miller mig welder tip in whatever size you need cut the hose and use it as a splice. put some armor all on the welder tip and it will help you slide the hose all the way over the welder tip and you will never know it's there.
Won't you see the clamps?
I think if you slide the tip in far enough so that the hose could fit over the nipple you wouldn't need an extra clamp.
Now do I need a .060 diameter hole or should I go with .035" or something else? Running a Holly 870 Street Avenger carburetor.
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Re: 68 Fuel Vapor Separater for 440
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Get a Miller mig welder tip in whatever size you need cut the hose and use it as a splice. put some armor all on the welder tip and it will help you slide the hose all the way over the welder tip and you will never know it's there.
Won't you see the clamps?
I think if you slide the tip in far enough so that the hose could fit over the nipple you wouldn't need an extra clamp.
Now do I need a .060 diameter hole or should I go with .035" or something else? Running a Holly 870 Street Avenger carburetor.
i've tested different sizes. the smaller the more stable fuel pressure is. consider .060 max and around .030 minimum. actually i got down to figuring the area of different orifice holes and compared them to each other to get an idea of what the reduction in size really meant. .035 is a nice place to be.
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Re: 68 Fuel Vapor Separater for 440
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Get a Miller mig welder tip in whatever size you need cut the hose and use it as a splice. put some armor all on the welder tip and it will help you slide the hose all the way over the welder tip and you will never know it's there.
Won't you see the clamps?
No .... Not if you slide the welder tip on the hose far enough. The armor all will help the tip slide all the way in the hose. If you do it near whatever you are connecting to it will hook up like normal with just a clamp on the connection a the fuel pump or carb or whatever.
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Re: 68 Fuel Vapor Separater for 440
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i've tested different sizes. the smaller the more stable fuel pressure is. consider .060 max and around .030 minimum. actually i got down to figuring the area of different orifice holes and compared them to each other to get an idea of what the reduction in size really meant. .035 is a nice place to be.
What was your running pressure with a .030 and at what size did the pressure start to drop at
thats somewhat of a loaded question. i'm going on mental notes here. the real pressure fluctuations are below 2500rpm. with a .075 orifice and a rated 6lb pump. fluctations at idle where between 2-5.5lbs. a lot of needle flopping on the pressure gauge. reducing the orifice size to .035 would bring the pressure variance down to about a 1-1.5lbs at idle. the real killer with the big orifice was fuel pressure up around 4500-5000rpm. pressure would go down to 2lbs (street 440 6-pak engine). reducing orifice size down to .035 would bring the higher rpm pressure up to about 3-3.5lbs. since then i've done some pump work and fuel line changes (deleted the return) and have not recorded any higher rpm pressure checks but do have the engine idling at 7.5psi with no problems. i'd think 5000+rpm pressure is probably 4+lbs. i know the car sure ran a bunch better. if the engine is basically stock just changing the orifice is good. if modified go after the pump too.
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Re: 68 Fuel Vapor Separater for 440
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Get a Miller mig welder tip in whatever size you need cut the hose and use it as a splice. put some armor all on the welder tip and it will help you slide the hose all the way over the welder tip and you will never know it's there.
Won't you see the clamps?
No .... Not if you slide the welder tip on the hose far enough. The armor all will help the tip slide all the way in the hose. If you do it near whatever you are connecting to it will hook up like normal with just a clamp on the connection a the fuel pump or carb or whatever.
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Re: 68 Fuel Vapor Separater for 440
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i've tested different sizes. the smaller the more stable fuel pressure is. consider .060 max and around .030 minimum. actually i got down to figuring the area of different orifice holes and compared them to each other to get an idea of what the reduction in size really meant. .035 is a nice place to be.
. . . i'm going on mental notes here. the real pressure fluctuations are below 2500rpm. with a .075 orifice and a rated 6lb pump. fluctations at idle where between 2-5.5lbs. a lot of needle flopping on the pressure gauge. reducing the orifice size to .035 would bring the pressure variance down to about a 1-1.5lbs at idle. the real killer with the big orifice was fuel pressure up around 4500-5000rpm. pressure would go down to 2lbs (street 440 6-pak engine). reducing orifice size down to .035 would bring the higher rpm pressure up to about 3-3.5lbs. since then i've done some pump work and fuel line changes (deleted the return) and have not recorded any higher rpm pressure checks but do have the engine idling at 7.5psi with no problems. i'd think 5000+rpm pressure is probably 4+lbs. i know the car sure ran a bunch better. if the engine is basically stock just changing the orifice is good. if modified go after the pump too.
Thanks. That's some good information there. I'll start with .035 since I have some MIG tips that size on hand anyway. You mentioned the fuel pump and I have an OEM replacement pump that was on the motor when I took it apart. What kind (brand or type) of fuel pump should I be looking for.
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Re: 68 Fuel Vapor Separater for 440
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Is the return hole size only on Repos or original chrysler ones also?
Larry
If I recall correctly the orifice was .060 on the factory ones... that was alot of years ago when I worked on that stuff in the fuel lab
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