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How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? #1063260
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Just wondering how much power/torque can you put to a fully race prepped A-833 trans?

Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: Dave W] #1063261
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18 or 23 spline?

Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: Dave W] #1063262
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Well don't no how much they will take but I do no mine has lived with my small block set up with 400 hp 400 trq for 4 years on the street and racing, I now have a R3 set up with 600-650 hp and hi 500s in trq and is still going strong, I have ran a 9.99 1/4 mile at 132.8 mph and I will be hitting it with a 150 shot of Nos next season.So I guess I will find out
Mine is a 833 Aluminum case with an after market tail shaft from Liberty gears and super pro shifted from Liberty, I am running a 10" adj clutch from Advanced clutches.A good clutch will save drive line parts.


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Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: Steve Barton] #1063263
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from the "BACK IN THE DAY" file : let's see if I can get this right .

I believe it was mid 1972 when the change over to Lenco's started.At the time 833 was being used by all the GM cars and breakage was not the primary
reason most teams changed. It was the reducton in ET for the average driver. Most gained well over a tenth. Most except Ronnie Sox who actually ran slower with one.
The Pro Stock cars were in the 9.0 Et range and at 3000lbs .That converts to about 77HP.
9,000 RPM launches were common.
In today's world with slipper type clutches I think they could handle more than that


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Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: HEMIFRED] #1063264
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from the "BACK IN THE DAY" file : let's see if I can get this right .

I believe it was mid 1972 when the change over to Lenco's started.At the time 833 was being used by all the GM cars and breakage was not the primary
reason most teams changed. It was the reducton in ET for the average driver. Most gained well over a tenth. Most except Ronnie Sox who actually ran slower with one.
The Pro Stock cars were in the 9.0 Et range and at 3000lbs .That converts to about 77HP.
9,000 RPM launches were common.
In today's world with slipper type clutches I think they could handle more than that




is that 777hp Fred?...

Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: smokinwoody] #1063265
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Thanks for the input, do you all think they could handle 800 ft.lbs of torque with the right clutch?

Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: Dave W] #1063266
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A friend of mine runs an 18 spline behind his blown big block chevy in his 55 prostreet chevy. He said that it holds up great.

Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: Dave W] #1063267
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Thanks for the input, do you all think they could handle 800 ft.lbs of torque with the right clutch?




No.


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Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: JERICOGTX] #1063268
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800 ftlb? I'm running a stroker I fuly expect to be 600ish plus a butt load nitrous, don't know if I'll be that much but it should be high. I have an 18 spline 833 just ordered my flywheel and clutch, 1600$. Ouch! Thinking I'll make my own drive shaft, at the moment the weak link is my 8 3/4. Yes the Dana 60 is being built...

Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: 8urvette] #1063269
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Which spline is stronger 18 or 23, and what clutch/flwheel combo are you running?

Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: Dave W] #1063270
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I have done very little research on the 833, I came across my a body 18 spline 5 years ago for a deal I couldn't pass up. Just now putting it in. I built my engine and destroyed two improperly built 727's. So I figured I should stop wasting money on them and concentrate on the 4 speed. The clutch is a American powertrain twin disc organic clutch with flywheel. Its a progressive engagement clutch, allowing one disc to engage before the other. Supposedly to deliver less shock to the drivetrain. we will see what breaks. I have a friend with a 12.1 sec 63 nova and a 4 speed, he's blown apart two rear ends including a fresh built 9in.

Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: 8urvette] #1063271
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I have a friend with a 12.1 sec 63 nova and a 4 speed, he's blown apart two rear ends including a fresh built 9in.


your freind must be making a lot of power and have a lot of traction to break on of those indestructable Ford Nine Inch racing rear ends Or maybe he's using a stock Ford Nine inch rear end with some race parts in it Either way to the Nine inch


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Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1063272
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He drops the clutch at 5000, it hooks and goes. Gets 1.7 60's. Not a ton of power. But needless to say he was not happy when his 9" exPloded and twisted his drive shaft in half. Lol. It's was built, my guess is a bad housing cast... He rebuilt with new third member and has ran it for a while now with no issues. But this isn't a 9" bashing thread....

Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: JERICOGTX] #1063273
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Thanks for the input, do you all think they could handle 800 ft.lbs of torque with the right clutch?




No.




with Jerico

i've broke 2 hemi boxes now, and i don't have no 800 ft.ibs. had a slipper clutch too.

last one knocked all the teeth off second gear.. my car is on the overweight side though.




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Never had a problem with the 833 2nd gear but, input shaft , out put shaft and third gear and cluster gear . When the hp gets high enough the 3rd gear will push away flexing the input and output shaft causing one big mess. Liberty Gears warned me about it, ask me how I know that it's true. It took me 3 times to get it though.


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Re: How much power can an A-833 4-speed take? [Re: rowin4] #1063275
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I have heard the ratings at 500ft/lb for the 23 spline and 600- 650 for the 18 spline...however, I would definitely not try pushing 600 without an adjustable clutch...even in the lower power ranges, an adjustable clutch will only help with the life of the transmission

And I personally wouldn't go much by what Ronnie Sox and the other 9 second cars back then were doing...You have to remember those transmissions were coming apart probably almost after every event to redress the pro shift or slick shift mods, and anything else that needed to be fixed probably was...As much as I respect that, do i think that an A833 can last with 800hp today? nope, not unless your tearing it down after every pass to see if everything is good

but thats just me

I love my 23 spline, but im lucky if im making 320 horsepower to the wheels







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