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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/22/11 11:48 AM
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Will the stock rockers/shafts off a 5.7 head, work on the 6.1 heads??
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/22/11 01:11 PM
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I got a price from Arrimgton on a complete 6.1 stroker using Manley rotating assy, Arrington rocker gear( super nice) a drag pack intake, and a little deal they make that mounts the coil packs on the intake. Cost for this fully machined and assembled motor was under 14k, and would be less with a shortblock core if one had one. So i gotta believe if Arrington can use good parts and build a complete motor for that kind of money with a trick cam, rocker gear, good internals, arp hardware and a drag pack intake somebody could do it themselves for a good bit less than that. If you consider the cost to build a 650 horse well built motor of any type, i didnt think it was all that bad. I am probabaly going to have 6-7000 in a 360 i am gonna do that might make 500 horse  
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: sixpackgut]
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10/22/11 01:11 PM
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Will the stock rockers/shafts off a 5.7 head, work on the 6.1 heads??
yes, they are the same. only thing different and i dont understand why they did this but the rocker shafts on a 6.1 doesnt have the sheetmetal spacer to keep the rocker located. they have some weird wire wrapped around the shaft that doesnt do squat
My 5.7 has the wire around the shafts,,,,wondered about the idea behind that as they are easily moved by hand with very little effort.
Just wondered about the shafts, as I am thinking about going with the 6.1 head on this 5.7 I'm building. Thanks FRED
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/22/11 04:07 PM
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The way the new Hemi's are designed, you really don't need those clips or spacer's. The pushrod angle will keep the rocker arm tight to the rockershaft holdown. When you want to spin these new Hemi's up and control oiling...? That's another story.
Jerry Williams.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/22/11 04:15 PM
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The way the new Hemi's are designed, you really don't need those clips or spacer's. The pushrod angle will keep the rocker arm tight to the rockershaft holdown. When you want to spin these new Hemi's up and control oiling...? That's another story.
So what is a safe rpm without oiling mode?
6500?
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/22/11 09:23 PM
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The way the new Hemi's are designed, you really don't need those clips or spacer's. The pushrod angle will keep the rocker arm tight to the rockershaft holdown. When you want to spin these new Hemi's up and control oiling...? That's another story.
So what is a safe rpm without oiling mode?
6500?
Your safe at 6500 rpm. Above 7000 rpm is when you get into the pucker factor.
So my previous post about the oiling issue, am i close in thinking that at a higher rpm the oil is moving so fast that it has a hard time making the 90 turn at the mains?
This is why the fist and last bearing are alright but the middle ones strave for oil.
Or am I out in left field.
BTW thanks for the info
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/24/11 10:20 AM
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The sheetmetal spacers and wire rings/clips are just assembly aids.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/25/11 09:38 PM
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converter does not "fit" into the back of my crank. there appears to be a reducer in the crank. does that easily come out? i couldnt get it easily out.
what do i need to do here?
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
[Re: jg309]
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10/25/11 09:41 PM
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you read one reply & presum something thats not even true, you need to read the whole post before making such a statement,jg309
if your friend can make money on the intake selling it for 500-550, maybe he should buy one to copy. i just dont think anyone would be willing to ship off $1000 and hope to see it again. nothing personal.
BTW, i will buy one when he starts pumping them out
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/25/11 10:21 PM
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you read one reply & presum something thats not even true, you need to read the whole post before making such a statement,jg309
if your friend can make money on the intake selling it for 500-550, maybe he should buy one to copy. i just dont think anyone would be willing to ship off $1000 and hope to see it again. nothing personal.
BTW, i will buy one when he starts pumping them out
His "friend" as he calls him is well known in the MOPAR racing camp.
His "friend" is named Kent Ritter.
Kent is a good man, and knows his stuff.
Kent is also making a damn nice block that is every bit as good or maybe better than the R3.
Kent is not a big fan of the " internet ".
Most people know Kent from when he was sponsored by MOPAR with the Daytona's.
Im sure Kent is not trying to rip people off here.
It sounds like he is trying to fill a void.
MOPAR says they are not making more intakes, or very few.
The way i see it, that is nice of Kent to try and help people out.
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Re: Design me a 3G Hemi bracket engine
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10/25/11 10:39 PM
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you read one reply & presum something thats not even true, you need to read the whole post before making such a statement,jg309
if your friend can make money on the intake selling it for 500-550, maybe he should buy one to copy. i just dont think anyone would be willing to ship off $1000 and hope to see it again. nothing personal.
BTW, i will buy one when he starts pumping them out
His "friend" as he calls him is well known in the MOPAR racing camp.
His "friend" is named Kent Ritter.
Kent is a good man, and knows his stuff.
Kent is also making a damn nice block that is every bit as good or maybe better than the R3.
Kent is not a big fan of the " internet ".
Most people know Kent from when he was sponsored by MOPAR with the Daytona's.
Im sure Kent is not trying to rip people off here.
It sounds like he is trying to fill a void.
MOPAR says they are not making more intakes, or very few.
The way i see it, that is nice of Kent to try and help people out.
I wonder if he plans to get Chrysler's permission to cast their manifold? I'm sure Chrysler wouldn't mind a royalty check.
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