Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did ....
[Re: DennisH ]
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06/16/11 11:51 AM
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Amp gauges on 70s trucks, or how about keeping the same truck body style 72-93 but changing the body lines in 81 so that a 81-93 box will fit my 76 Power Wagon and work but not look right. How bout using Mitsubishi engines well past the point of having our own very reliable line of 4 cylinder and V6 engines? Diamond Star Motors...'nuff said. 2.2/2.5 timing belt design (non interference) Yay! Mitsu 4s, not so much...:( 3.6 Pentastar engine, yay! 2.7 sludge engine, Oh, and, anyone else enjoy changing the oil filter on 3.7 Jeep Libertys 08-up? Ugh! Tight and difficult to see! Which leads me to...who thought making Mopar oil filters BLACK was a good idea?? JS
76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red 06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II 06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi 10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI 10 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd 4x4 5.7L HEMI 11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red 16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black
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Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did ....
[Re: AdventurerSport]
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06/16/11 12:11 PM
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Speaking of Mitsu engines, why did they ever switch from the common 3.0L down to a 2.5L version and then back to the 3.0? 3.0 was very common in the early 90s, then mid 90s Avenger, Sebring, Eclipse went to the 2.5, then back to the 3.0 around 2001...?
Anyone ever notice Mitsubishi FWD drivetrains are backwards to ours? Chrysler uses an East-West arrangement, whereas Mitsubishi cars use a West-East style...(our engines sit with the front at the passenger side, their drivetrains face the drivers side)...meaning that, when we choose Mitsubishi as our Japanese partner, we couldn't even easily share powertrains.
Dodge Challenger...Imported from Japan, with the new 2.6L Hemi! Ugh! I prefer my Mopar 10 imported from Canada with 5.7L Hemi!
JS
76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red 06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II 06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi 10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI 10 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd 4x4 5.7L HEMI 11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red 16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black
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Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did ....
[Re: 383man]
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06/16/11 12:35 PM
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Twostick
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Here is a good one many may not know. But on the old reduction gear starters when I would rebuild them Ma put a washer on end of the armature where the brushes go with 4 bent legs on it. It worked great when assembling the starter as the washer would hold the 4 brushes in place so you could slip the armature right in and the brushes would fall in place against the armature when it pushed the washer out. It really made it much easier when assembling it. Ron
Once you figured out (read somebody told you) why that washer had those goofy legs on it.
Kevin
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Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did ....
[Re: 383man]
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06/17/11 07:23 PM
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Bad: After 78', NO MORE big block Mopar Engines being factory built, so they did not catch the "fuel injection" technology directly, as the small block and the HEMI (Gen 3) did. Good: Big blocks keep growing in displacement, as well as the aftermarket SHOWERING them with so much parts and equipment, it's mind boggling!! Just wish they would come-up with a Max-Wedge (port sized) intake for the B' engine!
"Stupidity is Ignorance on Steroids" "Yeah, it's hopped to over 160" (quote by Kowalski in the movie Vanishing Point 1970 - Cupid Productions)
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Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did ....
[Re: HYPER8oSoNic]
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06/18/11 10:51 AM
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To the guy that mentioned the rear brake rotor that was held on like a drum...the something inside was the parking brake, which works just like drum brakes on the inside of the rotor "hat". Not really a Mopar thing, at least, not exclusively...they are all pretty much that way now.
JS
76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red 06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II 06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi 10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI 10 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd 4x4 5.7L HEMI 11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red 16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black
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Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did ....
[Re: AdventurerSport]
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06/18/11 10:57 AM
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My 2010 Jeep Liberty only has 1 factory power outlet! One!! Making it just as convenient and advanced as my 76 Power Wagon! (albeit at a drastically increased price)...!
That's just stupid. Liberty platform gets NO upgrades as it's due to be replaced soon, but that means no MyGig radios for Libertys! ??
Wife is looking to upgrade her ride, may end up with a new Compass which has MyGig, two power outlets, and better fuel economy. Sheesh, other than the difficult oil change and the above issues, she really like the Liberty. I would've traded up to a newer Liberty with the Pentastar engine, but that's not coming, either, so Liberty buyers are stuck with the 3.7 engine (standard and ONLY engine in the Liberty)
JS
76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red 06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II 06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi 10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI 10 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd 4x4 5.7L HEMI 11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red 16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black
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Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did ....
[Re: AdventurerSport]
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06/18/11 12:22 PM
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Which leads me to...who thought making Mopar oil filters BLACK was a good idea??
JS
Adventurer; What is wrong with a black oil filter?
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Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did ....
[Re: 2734bbl]
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06/19/11 11:38 PM
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The bad: Late 90s and up Grand cherokee cooling fan relay placement. Power transfer units on AWD Journeys, GETRAG produced, need I say more. The new 62TE FWD auto transmissions. What a POS. The good: The vehicles they produce are generally easier to work on than the other brands.
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Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did ....
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
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06/20/11 08:44 PM
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Which leads me to...who thought making Mopar oil filters BLACK was a good idea??
JS
Adventurer; What is wrong with a black oil filter?
On the Liberty, the oil filter is very hard to see, and in black, it blends right in with the suspension. That's about it...white Napa Gold filters are much easier to see/find when changing the oil...that's all.
JS
76 Dodge Adventurer Sport Power Wagon W100 318, 727, NP203 Fulltime 4x4 Russet Red 06 Jeep Commander Ltd 4x4, 5.7L Hemi, QuadraDrive II 06 Chrysler 300C AWD 5.7L Hemi 10 Mopar 10 Challenger R/T, #483/500, 5.7L HEMI 10 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd 4x4 5.7L HEMI 11 Dodge Ram 1500 LoneStar Quad Cab, 5.7L HEMI, Fulltime 4x4, Deep Cherry Red 16 Jeep Cherokee Limited 3.2L Pentastar V6, 9 Speed Torqueflite, 4x4, Black
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Re: The good and BAD things the Ma MoPar engineers did ....
[Re: dOc !]
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06/21/11 12:52 AM
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Bad: so many different K frames, bellhousing patterns, engine mounts...the only time I envy a GM guy is when they take a 250 inline 6 and bolt a 454 to it. Too easy.
1979 Dodge Lil' Red Express - 360 rwhp, 13.2 @ 103mph 1968 Coronet: 318, 2.76, 15.2 @ 92mph! (SOLD) 1976 Valiant: 360, 3.90, 12.90 @ 106 (SOLD) 1989 Shelby CSX #500/500
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