How many times do you here guys on here telling others to advance the heck out of the off the shelf MP grinds? , the one's i'm talking about are the single pattern grinds , why would you want to advance more than MP recommends? , one reason maybe the cam is too big for the application? , another reason is maybe some guy fitted this cam & it ran like a dog on his combo? , maybe another guy found he picked up some advancing intake centre line? , what does all this tell you? , THE CAMSHAFT IS WRONG FOR THE APPLICATION , any time a camshaft has to be advanced more than 4 degrees from straight up then go look for another camshaft , most guys on here who found power by advancing ICL are street guys , this gets back to my earlier post of contaminated intake charge , no way that motor picked up any power going 8 degrees advanced , only benefit would be seat of the pants , mostly being idle characteristics/part to mid throttle , any torque gained down low would be killed off up top.

All you guys running excessive advance maybe go get another cam , will certainly pick up on the big end.

Ever wondered why intake cenreline has to be advanced 4 degrees on most all off the shelf grinds?.............chain stretch is poor excuse , gear wear being another poor excuse , anyone wanna touch on the real reason?.......sifting through some of these posts might give a clue.