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and dont forget the new eddy victor..i think we have seen them stop production before.. how ever with the gen3 stuff and all the p7 stuff that is been sold for next to nothing.all the guys that have been holding on to there w7/w8/w9 stuff for years are starting to sale the stuff to people that will actually use them.. and the victor head available.the demand is there..look like we need to put some pressure on them..to bad the other block i wont say the name is such junk..




Thanks for the reminder i just added the P5-7 to that short list see its real hard to remember these very few options we have

Yes the Edelbrock Victor heads should be a real nice addition to this if they ever end up being available. i wonder if the delay is just from edelbrock doing there homework from the bigblock Victor heads where there where some isues finding rockerarms that worked with the different deckheights and lifterstyles.




Wow, aren't you a champ there compiling a list....Now, how many on that list are a) not a twin to a magnum version b) not ridiculous to find, still produced, or actually usable when you do find them c) don't require changing to exotic or application specific parts totally unique to that head ONLY d) are not just a pre existing head ported/ modified

Sorry, but half those heads you listed are the same as one another, discontinued, exotic, not worth it (imo) to even bother running, etc....Like I said, there is no in between with the SBM- there is entry level, and there is full on race. To be quite frank, I think out of ALL those heads the majority are Mopar, and only a couple (commando, W2, W9) are even easily attainable. Many are only available second hand, or like finding a needle in a haystack. Hell, you even are mentioning Eddy Victors, yet they still really haven't even become available!

Your list means diddly s$%* to me- it actually makes me think what I said is even more true....LOL...Compared to sbc, sbf, or even bbm there are few choices imo




You should know by know that the Ford and GM crowd wont start biotching if they have to get headers or intakes that are specific to fit when they upgrade in the cylinderhead department. and for some reason they wont start trowing fits like unciviliced 4year olds either if they end up having a need for a new set of rockerarms either.

Most times when you start building a new engine you will end up replaceing all these items anyway and the price is not all that bad considering that in most cases you end up with much better parts when buying the suporting hardware to fit the slightly more exotic heads. only the moparcrowd is complaining about these facts and thats one of the big reasons why so few new products are being developed.


come to think of it,your indyheads are among those exotic highpriced pieces so why are you complaining?

since you are such a fantastic worldchampion at this why dont YOU invent a new head that takes all stock garbage parts and makes 6565654654HP with a purple shaft and idles like a stock 318?





LOL...your trying to lump me into the typical "mopar" group, yet I have Indy heads that required special headers, rocker arms, intake, etc....I am not complaining, I am stating a point which totally went right past your head.

Which of those heads can you even get a hold of anymore (Andy gets it!)? Which are even useable or worth it? Which are not totally just stock replacement copies that have more potential then stock heads?

Sorry, but I still stand by what I said. Eliminate all the heads you listed that you can't get anymore (or that you apparently still can but you have to know James Bond or something) or that are essentially copies of each other and what do you have left?

All I was getting at is that there is little selection- why is it that the only bolt on heads for the small block with STOCK rockers/exhaust are essentially just an aluminum x head? or iron?

You seem to be content with the options available, which is great....But you, just like other "mopar guys" are used to having little selection that to you its perfectly fine. My point is this- there is nothing wrong with having OPTIONS! With SBM, there are little READILY AVAILABLE ones for various levels of performance....Hell, why do you think Indy has such a lock on the market for real race heads for the sbm? Half of the Mopar ones are impossible to get, and then there is Brodix- and thats about it! lol...but as was said, I guess that doesn't matter if you can't get a block LOL