and dont forget the new eddy victor..i think we have seen them stop production before.. how ever with the gen3 stuff and all the p7 stuff that is been sold for next to nothing.all the guys that have been holding on to there w7/w8/w9 stuff for years are starting to sale the stuff to people that will actually use them.. and the victor head available.the demand is there..looks like we need to put some pressure on them..to bad the other block i wont say the name is such junk..