After looking at the pictures I went and compared it to my Fram that has never had air drawn through it. The joint quality where the outside screen ends is very poor in comparison. Did he say where they were made? If its Kung Fu I would bet it came out of the same factory as the other one on the market, but it is a little cheaper. As a side note, has anybody done any kind of flow test on these filters? I would bet that the screen on the inside and the metal front with the little holes really cut down on the air flow.Whit the big engines we have now a days I would say a K&N would better to drive with and put the Frams on when we get to the car show.