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as I posted, have the adj. out of rocker and rod is against rocker. NO clearance???. rod is a mopar mech cup and socket type rod and is a bit shorter than a stock hyd. rod. cam base should be smaller than a stock cam so I don't know why I have no free play

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Your pushrods are TOO LONG , you need to get or make a checker pushrod and figure out the length you need and have a set made.

The purpose of rockers shims is to correct incorrect rocker to valve geometry , they are NOT for correcting for pushrods that are too long , I don't care who say they are, they are WRONG.

If your pushrods are against the rockers without the adjusters then you need new pushrods , plain and simple.

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I think I said that, and I agree with you, but it sounds like he just doesn't want to buy shorter pushrods? Not the perfered way to go, but he can solve his clearance problem by shimming the shafts.