I have them mounted in the stock front hole and also have 1" longer rear shackles and its still an inch lower than i'd like and doesnt even have fuel in it yet. Peter, Gmachinedart, sent his back for the same reason and warned me about them being to low but I figured i'd out smart them lol! I dont have the car on the road yet and still have my S ing oval tracker to go back to if needed.