For the tips my TTI tips DO have the hangers just like orig (71 b body) and that how the sold them to me back in 98. I cut the turndown part and just slipped them on with the supplied OEM type hangers and a band clamp on the pype. Do they not sell the tips with hangers welded on anymore??? I used there systems on both of my cars and they fit great. I really like the Ultraflow mufflers (for a bit more money).