Well pulled it back apart guys and checked all events of the cam with a degree wheel, it was absolutely perfect. Checked distributor wires checked rotor , this a pro billet MSD and is locked at full advance, found no issues. Checked balancer and it was within 1 degree at absolute TDC. Cam was actually installed straight up and came in at 109 we left everything as was and buttoned it back up.Fired it up and it timed at 36 degrees , wow what a PITA. I know I'm not crazy but more of this crap and I'll be there. Sorry guys don't know what happened. I have two witnesses that experienced this and they are stunned also. Simply un friggen believable. Thanks for all the input !