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Grudge race advice #986842
05/05/11 08:25 PM
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Finally after 7 years of blood sweat and money my 68 GTX is nearing completion. I shelved the original 440 for a "stock appearing" 525 Arruzza Hemi. 11-1 comp, solid roller cam, worked Stage V heads, Vanke intake, stock hemi carbs. May upgrade to edelbrock 750s soon. New Mcleod SFI flywheel and clutch, freshened 18 spline 4 speed, and exchanged the 3.54s in the Dana for 4.10s. I've only driven it 4 or 5 miles and it's pretty snappy. I've since added 2756015 M&H drag radials on 15X8 magnum 500s.

A former co-worker has an 09 Shelby GT500 and has talked some smack all along. I'd really enjoy showing him the backside of the X. I really think deep 11s are possible with this car, maybe better, but I haven't been on a dragstrip in years. I'm no Ronnie Sox or Joel Nystrom, but I truly believe I should be able to cover that Shelby. What do I need to do as far as setting up the car and driving technique to get out front and stay there. THANKS GUYS!

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Silverbullet2] #986843
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Learn how to do a burnout (or if your tires would even likea burnout), learn how to cut a light, and most importantly how to shift without blowing the 2-3 shift or taking it out of the torque curve. Learn when to lift - if it gets too out of shape - better to lose a race than wad up your car.

Other than that - keep it straight and have fun.

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Lil Demon] #986844
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Let him talk all he wants,but don't let him talk you into his race. If he wants to race make him run you Heads-Up don't give nothing don't ask for nothing!! Always have the understanding RED-LIGHT you lose if either of you cross into the others lane you lose,other than that 1st one to the finish line. That rules out him leaving early or trying to veer over in your lane to get you to back off.

Do not race him till you 1st make sure both you & car are ready. And last but not least,Make him run for some Big $$$$.CASH IS GOOD


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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: MRMOPAR622] #986845
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what has he done to the shelby as far as upgrades.

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Silverbullet2] #986846
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"May upgrade to edelbrock 750s soon"

dude all that cash and you want the cheapest non-performance carb you can buy? get a set of holleys and let him see tail lights. That's a ton of motor. I'd guess tuned and if you can hook it should run mid 10's. I'd be upset with anything less.
I think my heap could keep up w/ a stock 500 in the 1/4 and I have 1/2 what you got.


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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Mr.Yuck] #986847
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I would get the biggest softest true slicks that will fit under it,and not let anyone know you have them to you pull up to the line beside him to race. Go practice till you know what RPM to leave the line at. Get out on him & let him try & run you down.
Go ahead and put the Holley carbs on it,bet enough $$$ to cover the cost of the Holley's.


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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Silverbullet2] #986848
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You shouldn't have a problem with him - no matter what you do. Just do it at the drag strip. If he's near stock, he will be running in the 13's somewhere.


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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Crizila] #986849
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go to the track and practice


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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: sixpackgut] #986850
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It's a factory street hemi intake, that has the vanke mods so holleys are a no go. I want to run in a quarter, but there's a local eighth mile dragstrip where I might go on a test and tune night and figure out the launch and try to get my 60ft times dialed in. With drag radials should I go through the water or not? Do burnout in second gear? I figure that Shelby is set up more for handling and road courses. His has been lowered an inch or so and maybe that stiff suspension doesn't transfer weight so good? I know he's taken the mufflers off and only running cats and straight pipes. He's one that can't leave anything alone, but I doubt if he's done anything really radical. I wouldn't put some kind of programmer or maybe different pulleys past him. He's an older guy too, early fifties and I doubt if he's willing to really flog that thing. I'd like to get out front first and not really show him everything unless I have to.

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Silverbullet2] #986851
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Yes if you can stay in front of him just beat him by a little. Tell him that was close.Then see if he would put up money on the next race and rap him..Good luck by the way..


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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Silverbullet2] #986852
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Sadly for you if the other owner isn't an idiot, that GT500 is $1,000 and a decent driver away from being a 10 second car.

I think the driver is gonna make the difference on this one.


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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Triple Threat] #986853
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I would not count on him not driving the snot out of it because he is in his 50's.


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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Crizila] #986854
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Quote:

You shouldn't have a problem with him - no matter what you do. Just do it at the drag strip. If he's near stock, he will be running in the 13's somewhere.




The new V-6 Mustangs are cracking into the high 13's - the Shelbys are into the low 12's on drag radials.


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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Evil Spirit] #986855
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You might want to do some research on your adversary, in terms of what the various magazines got for ET & MPH. Might be better to run a 1/4 rather than 1/8, Hemis have a strong top-end "charge". His car may have traction control. I think the new Mustangs require a rear brake change to fit 15" wheels & slicks, but big-rim drag radials are available, so see what he's got for tires. He may not be good at power-shifting (Tremec, IIRC). If you can hook, mid-11s should be pretty easy, but you should put a few laps on your car & know. May the Dudek-Force be with you!

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Silverbullet2] #986856
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Sorry, I mean no disrespect, but let me inform you. I have an '09 Shelby with radials, good tune, gone 11.73 @ 122 and I'm a terrible shifter/driver. So, you'd better get plenty of practice before you run that Shelby or you will get embarassed in the 1/8 or 1/4mi. If he's a good driver I'd honestly say you are in trouble. Hope that gives you an idea.

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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: racerbychoice] #986857
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Im a little confused here, there is a big group of f-body small block stroker cars that are running in the 10-s n/a all day and 9-s with a lil juice, very streetable, modest cams...ect...so why are there so many 11-12 sec big blocks afraid of somthing running in the high 11-s or 12s.

If the OP-s BB car cant handle this mid/high 11 second stang ( I dont know what to say)....Im not trying to sound neg by any means when we were running 12-s on the street in the 80-s which would smoke any modded new ride, now 10 second street cars are the norm for alot of F and A body cars are doing it, and really even in the 10-s you have to look out for the real street race cars in the 9-s and even in the 8-s.

If your not into the "street" scene go check it out, I prefer 2 cars on a old country road, but go watch some modern street racing with the old iron v8-s, as foolish as some may consider it, it is what it is.

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: quick77rt ] #986858
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I'd be worried if I were you.........Every Aruzza Hemi I've ever seen was an absolute turd.....combine that with someone like you that has very little dragstrip experience, very little 4-speed racing experience and is new to the car....if the guy can drive his Mustang at all, you're going to get spanked........

I bet you'll be lucky to get into the 12's.......


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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: Mr.Yuck] #986859
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Quote:

"May upgrade to edelbrock 750s soon"

dude all that cash and you want the cheapest non-performance carb you can buy? get a set of holleys and let him see tail lights. That's a ton of motor. I'd guess tuned and if you can hook it should run mid 10's. I'd be upset with anything less.
I think my heap could keep up w/ a stock 500 in the 1/4 and I have 1/2 what you got.




Hunter, DUDE, please tell us what Holley carbs will fit a stock hemi intake????

Re: Grudge race advice [Re: dc426] #986860
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Whats wrong with a couple afb's? Dave's FAST RR does just fine as do dozens of NSS cars.


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Re: Grudge race advice [Re: dannysbee] #986861
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i would wait untill i get the motor tuned at least , new carbs out of the box what every they are could be a big power killer if not tuned right !
IF your car is tuned right and you can drive good you will win if not the mustang has got you , hard to beat fuel injection with poorly tuned carbs !


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