69 GTX fender tag decode
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I am no expert on Lynch Road fender tags, so youse in the know please help me out! This is what I know now: 69 GTX NOM 1972 440 console 4-speed Dana 3.54 What looks like is used to have an air grabber 97 Rallye green repainted to F8 F8 vinyl bucket interior 055 radiator w/fan shroud Manual steering and manual drum brakes Scattershield and aftermarket engine parts No lower trim on above the rockers, was this on all 69 GTX's? 14" Magnum wheels
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Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode
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I am no expert on Lynch Road fender tags, so youse in the know please help me out! This is what I know now:
69 GTX NOM 1972 440 console 4-speed Dana 3.54 What looks like is used to have an air grabber 97 Rallye green repainted to F8 F8 vinyl bucket interior 055 radiator w/fan shroud Manual steering and manual drum brakes Scattershield and aftermarket engine parts No lower trim on above the rockers, was this on all 69 GTX's? 14" Magnum wheels
OK, my best go at it;
03149 and 272142 = gate and line sequence numbers 9 = 1969 A = Lynch Rd. assy. plant 262919 = sequential VIN # 915 = 440 4bbl auto trans, orange 596 3.54 Dana 60 11" drums F and R, A33 pkg 605 = 833 4spd 18 spline 26 = 26" rad 1X - Black vinyl roof 68 = ?? N96 = fresh air hood C16 = console 97 = bright green met. special order 97 = upper door color as above P6C = premium buckets F8 = interior color - dark green V21 = performance hood treatment RS = GTX 23 = 2dr hrdtp E86 = 440, 4bbl htr. D21 = 4spd 423 = april 23rd 1969 SPD 235801 = VON vehicle order number.
.....ok, how'd I do?
neat car, btw.
Dave
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Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode
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I am no expert on Lynch Road fender tags, so youse in the know please help me out! This is what I know now:
69 GTX NOM 1972 440 console 4-speed Dana 3.54 What looks like is used to have an air grabber 97 Rallye green repainted to F8 F8 vinyl bucket interior 055 radiator w/fan shroud Manual steering and manual drum brakes Scattershield and aftermarket engine parts No lower trim on above the rockers, was this on all 69 GTX's? 14" Magnum wheels
OK, my best go at it;
03149 and 272142 = gate and line sequence numbers 9 = 1969 A = Lynch Rd. assy. plant 262919 = sequential VIN # 915 = 440 4bbl auto trans, orange 596 3.54 Dana 60 11" drums F and R, A33 pkg 605 = 833 4spd 18 spline 26 = 26" rad 1X - Black vinyl roof 68 = ?? N96 = fresh air hood C16 = console 97 = bright green met. special order 97 = upper door color as above P6C = premium buckets F8 = interior color - dark green V21 = performance hood treatment RS = GTX 23 = 2dr hrdtp E86 = 440, 4bbl htr. D21 = 4spd 423 = april 23rd 1969 SPD 235801 = VON vehicle order number.
.....ok, how'd I do?
neat car, btw.
Dave
you did pretty good except
03149 is Gate and sequence number
262142 is the body number ... something like that , this number is NO WHERE but on the lynch rd. tag , not on broadcast sheet or any other piece of paper I have seen.
68 is V68 , Lynch Rd. left off the V, sport stripe, longitudinal tape ... DELETED .
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Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode
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03= gate 149 = base number 262919 = sequence number or basically the way John described it.
69 LR coded C16 for both the console and the buddy seat so just seeing this code on the tag really doen't tell you which it recieved.
paint code 97 GTX= VERY uncommon.
97 and 97 paint code = roof and body were Rallye Green
P6C = blue and white interior. The code is actually P6G for green interior to go with the exterior. (The tail is missing from the G. Compare the G to the C in C16) F8 = UDF color
Yes. nice car
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Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode
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03= gate 149 = base number 262919 = sequence number or basically the way John described it.
69 LR coded C16 for both the console and the buddy seat so just seeing this code on the tag really doen't tell you which it recieved.
paint code 97 GTX= VERY uncommon.
97 and 97 paint code = roof and body were Rallye Green
P6C = blue and white interior. The code is actually P6G for green interior to go with the exterior. (The tail is missing from the G. Compare the G to the C in C16) F8 = UDF color
Yes. nice car
So the roof was painted 97 but a black vinyl top put over it? Also, the V68 longintudinal stripe delete would be the stripe following the missing rocker trim? Is there anyway to tell if the car had the trim deleted without attacking the paint? Anyone ever see a 69 GTX without the trim from the factory? I am not up on these cars, I only know Darts, so any info would be appreciated!
I should have known the 68 was V68!! seems I could remember that 1X was V1X but not that 68 was V68........I have no excuse! Oh well, I am getting better!
I would imagine that the 97 code paint is VERY rare.....I wonder if anyone has the '69 paint percentages for GTX's.
Dave
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Upper door color is F8 , it's the code after the P6G
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Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode
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Vinyl roof or not the code is there on the tag for the upper body paint in 1969. I don't know if it was possible to delete the lower body black out on the 69 GTX ?
Since the car has been repainted does it matter if the original paint was disturbed ?
The F8 on the car looks good, I don't want to disturb the new paint to see if the holes were filled for the trim. Are any of the holes visible from the inside, like on the fender or door?
Should be. I just had to find two (one on each side) of the 23-25 holes (each side, about 50 total) that got filled in with body filler and that was easy for one because of the oooze of filler on the back side of the hole. Look inside of the trunk or remove the front inner fender seal where the antenna is (can see it from the door jam) or look/feel on top of the wheel openings where the wheel opening trim get screwed in place. If you look closely at the right rear quarter panel here you will see that one of the five trim holes is not there. The trim holes between the rear bumper and the right rear wheel opening are equal distances apart and you can see where one should be. I went into the trunk and there was a small, very small dome of filler there and I took a very small drill bit and worked through it by hand and then increased the size (all by hand) until it was back to the original size.
With about 46 original holes for the GTX trim (not including the approximately 16 wheel opening trim holes) I'm betting you can find at least one....maybe two if they were there in the first place.
MikeR
Note #3 hole (middle) is missing but you can see the placement from inside the trunk, at least I could on my car
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Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode
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Thanks for all the replies. Maybe the car I am looking at was supposed to be an A12 and yours a GTX?
James would you do a favor for me and check to see if my broadcast sheet is in your car.......I'll check the RR for your sheet in the mean time
Be interesting to know the date code on the K-frame, my K-frame date code is 120 9 (April 30, 1969)
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This may be the first time I've heard of someone color changing a car TO F8! Dave
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Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode
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Thanks for all the replies. Maybe the car I am looking at was supposed to be an A12 and yours a GTX?
James would you do a favor for me and check to see if my broadcast sheet is in your car.......I'll check the RR for your sheet in the mean time
Be interesting to know the date code on the K-frame, my K-frame date code is 120 9 (April 30, 1969)
MikeR
It is not my car, I inspected it for a client who is looking to buy a 69 GTX. I am waiting to here if he wants it or not, but I do plan on going back and checking it out further. He said that there was no broadcast sheet found when the seats were out for the new carpet, but no other place they can be found at has been checked yet.
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Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode
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Rallye green Is very rare on a 69 GTX, I have never seen one before
Strange that someone painted it F8 green
Even stranger that someone painted it GREEN as DaveP mentioned........nobody likes GREEN MOPARS....
MikeR
Before you flame me, I'm kidding!; go back through my history...I LOVE GREEN MOPARS!
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Here is a pic of the engine compartment, you can see some of the Rallye Green beneath the wiper motor.
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Rallye green Is very rare on a 69 GTX, I have never seen one before
Strange that someone painted it F8 green
I was thinking the same thing>>>>
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Rallye green Is very rare on a 69 GTX, I have never seen one before
Strange that someone painted it F8 green
I was thinking the same thing>>>>
For Sure....could be a one of...........not going there but that's the only ONE/GTX that I have ever heard of in 97 Ralley GREEN, very, very rare IMO
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...that's the only ONE/GTX that I have ever heard of in 97 Ralley GREEN, very, very rare IMO
If Rallye Green was not released for the GTX, you might expect to see a 99 paint code or something special with the VON. Neither is there. If it was released for the GTX, you think you'd see more cars in this color and from other plants also.
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Surely there are more 69 GTX's with Rallye Green, when was the color actually released?
Spring (Special) of 1969, so Lynch Road assembled cars would be around (guessing) 25XXXX on the VIN's and I'd doubt that any brochures that were already out notified anyone that was shopping that Rallye Green was available on a GTX and most of the color sheets with 97 on it would have been in the service department or the paint shop. They did a sales bulletin on the color but I think it was more geared toward the Road Runner and Super Bee with the Dodge version.
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Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode
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Surely there are more 69 GTX's with Rallye Green, when was the color actually released?
According to this undated, but by the context of the memo sent in January 1969, it was released February 1 for the Road Runner only. The four color chart for the A12 cars also state Road Runner only.
paint code 97 PIB release-page 1 paint code 97 PIB release-page 2
The earliest 97 car I have on file has a 3/10 SPD.
(It's a common belief that F6 and 97 were released with the A12s but both colors were available a before the A12s came out.)
If 97 was a color released only for the Road Runner but ordered on a Dart or Barracuda, I think you would see 99 or special VON coding.
That's what's odd about this car; there's no special coding for the paint.
Maybe we have one car that was destined to be a RR wind up a GTX and a car destined to be a GTX that wound up a Road Runner.
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