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69 GTX fender tag decode

Posted By: Rhinodart

69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 03:09 AM

I am no expert on Lynch Road fender tags, so youse in the know please help me out! This is what I know now:

69 GTX
NOM 1972 440
console 4-speed
Dana 3.54
What looks like is used to have an air grabber
97 Rallye green repainted to F8
F8 vinyl bucket interior
055 radiator w/fan shroud
Manual steering and manual drum brakes
Scattershield and aftermarket engine parts
No lower trim on above the rockers, was this on all 69 GTX's?
14" Magnum wheels


Attached picture 6614745-gtxfendertag.jpg
Posted By: moparcanuk

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 03:13 AM

All 69 GTXs had the chrome trim above the rocker panels.
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 03:18 AM

So the trim must have been removed during the repaint, not good!
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 04:01 AM

Quote:

I am no expert on Lynch Road fender tags, so youse in the know please help me out! This is what I know now:

69 GTX
NOM 1972 440
console 4-speed
Dana 3.54
What looks like is used to have an air grabber
97 Rallye green repainted to F8
F8 vinyl bucket interior
055 radiator w/fan shroud
Manual steering and manual drum brakes
Scattershield and aftermarket engine parts
No lower trim on above the rockers, was this on all 69 GTX's?
14" Magnum wheels




OK, my best go at it;

03149 and 272142 = gate and line sequence numbers
9 = 1969
A = Lynch Rd. assy. plant
262919 = sequential VIN #
915 = 440 4bbl auto trans, orange
596 3.54 Dana 60 11" drums F and R, A33 pkg
605 = 833 4spd 18 spline
26 = 26" rad
1X - Black vinyl roof
68 = ??
N96 = fresh air hood
C16 = console
97 = bright green met. special order
97 = upper door color as above
P6C = premium buckets
F8 = interior color - dark green
V21 = performance hood treatment
RS = GTX
23 = 2dr hrdtp
E86 = 440, 4bbl htr.
D21 = 4spd
423 = april 23rd 1969 SPD
235801 = VON vehicle order number.


.....ok, how'd I do?

neat car, btw.


Dave
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 04:44 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I am no expert on Lynch Road fender tags, so youse in the know please help me out! This is what I know now:

69 GTX
NOM 1972 440
console 4-speed
Dana 3.54
What looks like is used to have an air grabber
97 Rallye green repainted to F8
F8 vinyl bucket interior
055 radiator w/fan shroud
Manual steering and manual drum brakes
Scattershield and aftermarket engine parts
No lower trim on above the rockers, was this on all 69 GTX's?
14" Magnum wheels




OK, my best go at it;

03149 and 272142 = gate and line sequence numbers
9 = 1969
A = Lynch Rd. assy. plant
262919 = sequential VIN #
915 = 440 4bbl auto trans, orange
596 3.54 Dana 60 11" drums F and R, A33 pkg
605 = 833 4spd 18 spline
26 = 26" rad
1X - Black vinyl roof
68 = ??
N96 = fresh air hood
C16 = console
97 = bright green met. special order
97 = upper door color as above
P6C = premium buckets
F8 = interior color - dark green
V21 = performance hood treatment
RS = GTX
23 = 2dr hrdtp
E86 = 440, 4bbl htr.
D21 = 4spd
423 = april 23rd 1969 SPD
235801 = VON vehicle order number.


.....ok, how'd I do?

neat car, btw.


Dave



you did pretty good except

03149 is Gate and sequence number

262142 is the body number ... something like that , this number is NO WHERE but on the lynch rd. tag , not on broadcast sheet or any other piece of paper I have seen.

68 is V68 , Lynch Rd. left off the V, sport stripe, longitudinal tape ... DELETED .
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 06:23 AM

03= gate
149 = base number
262919 = sequence number or basically the way John described it.

69 LR coded C16 for both the console and the buddy seat so just seeing this code on the tag really doen't tell you which it recieved.

paint code 97 GTX= VERY uncommon.

97 and 97 paint code = roof and body were Rallye Green

P6C = blue and white interior. The code is actually P6G for green interior to go with the exterior. (The tail is missing from the G. Compare the G to the C in C16) F8 = UDF color

Yes. nice car
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 03:09 PM

Quote:

03= gate
149 = base number
262919 = sequence number or basically the way John described it.

69 LR coded C16 for both the console and the buddy seat so just seeing this code on the tag really doen't tell you which it recieved.

paint code 97 GTX= VERY uncommon.

97 and 97 paint code = roof and body were Rallye Green

P6C = blue and white interior. The code is actually P6G for green interior to go with the exterior. (The tail is missing from the G. Compare the G to the C in C16) F8 = UDF color

Yes. nice car



So the roof was painted 97 but a black vinyl top put over it? Also, the V68 longintudinal stripe delete would be the stripe following the missing rocker trim? Is there anyway to tell if the car had the trim deleted without attacking the paint? Anyone ever see a 69 GTX without the trim from the factory? I am not up on these cars, I only know Darts, so any info would be appreciated!
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 03:14 PM

Vinyl roof or not the code is there on the tag for the upper body paint in 1969. I don't know if it was possible to delete the lower body black out on the 69 GTX ?

Since the car has been repainted does it matter if the original paint was disturbed ?
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 04:21 PM

Quote:

Quote:

03= gate
149 = base number
262919 = sequence number or basically the way John described it.

69 LR coded C16 for both the console and the buddy seat so just seeing this code on the tag really doen't tell you which it recieved.

paint code 97 GTX= VERY uncommon.

97 and 97 paint code = roof and body were Rallye Green

P6C = blue and white interior. The code is actually P6G for green interior to go with the exterior. (The tail is missing from the G. Compare the G to the C in C16) F8 = UDF color

Yes. nice car



So the roof was painted 97 but a black vinyl top put over it? Also, the V68 longintudinal stripe delete would be the stripe following the missing rocker trim? Is there anyway to tell if the car had the trim deleted without attacking the paint? Anyone ever see a 69 GTX without the trim from the factory? I am not up on these cars, I only know Darts, so any info would be appreciated!



I should have known the 68 was V68!! seems I could remember that 1X was V1X but not that 68 was V68........I have no excuse! Oh well, I am getting better!

I would imagine that the 97 code paint is VERY rare.....I wonder if anyone has the '69 paint percentages for GTX's.


Dave
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 04:25 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

03= gate
149 = base number
262919 = sequence number or basically the way John described it.

69 LR coded C16 for both the console and the buddy seat so just seeing this code on the tag really doen't tell you which it recieved.

paint code 97 GTX= VERY uncommon.

97 and 97 paint code = roof and body were Rallye Green

P6C = blue and white interior. The code is actually P6G for green interior to go with the exterior. (The tail is missing from the G. Compare the G to the C in C16) F8 = UDF color

Yes. nice car



So the roof was painted 97 but a black vinyl top put over it? Also, the V68 longintudinal stripe delete would be the stripe following the missing rocker trim? Is there anyway to tell if the car had the trim deleted without attacking the paint? Anyone ever see a 69 GTX without the trim from the factory? I am not up on these cars, I only know Darts, so any info would be appreciated!



I should have known the 68 was V68!! seems I could remember that 1X was V1X but not that 68 was V68........I have no excuse! Oh well, I am getting better!

I would imagine that the 97 code paint is VERY rare.....I wonder if anyone has the '69 paint percentages for GTX's.


Dave



You can argue with me if you like ... ..

Upper door color is F8 , it's the code after the P6G
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 04:56 PM

Quote:

You can argue with me if you like ... ..

Upper door color is F8 , it's the code after the P6G



No, I know better than that too!

I should stick with '70 tags...

Dave
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 11:09 PM

Quote:

Vinyl roof or not the code is there on the tag for the upper body paint in 1969. I don't know if it was possible to delete the lower body black out on the 69 GTX ?

Since the car has been repainted does it matter if the original paint was disturbed ?



The F8 on the car looks good, I don't want to disturb the new paint to see if the holes were filled for the trim. Are any of the holes visible from the inside, like on the fender or door?
Posted By: A12

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/03/11 11:37 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Vinyl roof or not the code is there on the tag for the upper body paint in 1969. I don't know if it was possible to delete the lower body black out on the 69 GTX ?

Since the car has been repainted does it matter if the original paint was disturbed ?



The F8 on the car looks good, I don't want to disturb the new paint to see if the holes were filled for the trim. Are any of the holes visible from the inside, like on the fender or door?



Should be. I just had to find two (one on each side) of the 23-25 holes (each side, about 50 total) that got filled in with body filler and that was easy for one because of the oooze of filler on the back side of the hole. Look inside of the trunk or remove the front inner fender seal where the antenna is (can see it from the door jam) or look/feel on top of the wheel openings where the wheel opening trim get screwed in place. If you look closely at the right rear quarter panel here you will see that one of the five trim holes is not there. The trim holes between the rear bumper and the right rear wheel opening are equal distances apart and you can see where one should be. I went into the trunk and there was a small, very small dome of filler there and I took a very small drill bit and worked through it by hand and then increased the size (all by hand) until it was back to the original size.

With about 46 original holes for the GTX trim (not including the approximately 16 wheel opening trim holes) I'm betting you can find at least one....maybe two if they were there in the first place.


MikeR


Note #3 hole (middle) is missing but you can see the placement from inside the trunk, at least I could on my car

Attached picture 6615961-DSC02772rs.jpg
Posted By: A12

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/04/11 12:31 AM

If this turns out to be a "GTX TRIM DELETE" car then I won't know whether to be shocked, excited or what...........because my A12 Road Runner has GTX trim and photos going back to the very early '70's with the GTX trim on it (March '71 photos) and I went and measured the exact size and location of each one of the holes on the GTX and compared them to the A12 Road Runner and they are in the exact same place, which kind of may mean that no dealer or owner could have been that precise to get all of the trim holes in the same production location and the RR holes do not have holes that appear to be done by a drill bit with the inside flare on the hole edge.....you may have a "GTX trim delete" and I may have "GTX trim add" car. My A12 car of course is a Lynch Road car like your GTX and we're about 1000 cars apart. Your car is a 4/23 SPD and of course the second build date for the A12's was 4/26

Back to your GTX......some day you should take it back to 97 Ralley Green that's as rare as a Y4 Spanish Gold A12 Road Runner.....WITH GTX trim IMO another co-inky-dink (rare colors too)


MikeR

Attached picture 6616031-Y4_A12_RR_rscrp.jpg
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/04/11 04:01 AM

Thanks for all the replies. Maybe the car I am looking at was supposed to be an A12 and yours a GTX?
Posted By: A12

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/04/11 04:57 AM

Quote:

Thanks for all the replies. Maybe the car I am looking at was supposed to be an A12 and yours a GTX?



James would you do a favor for me and check to see if my broadcast sheet is in your car.......I'll check the RR for your sheet in the mean time


Be interesting to know the date code on the K-frame, my K-frame date code is 120 9 (April 30, 1969)

MikeR
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/04/11 04:13 PM

This may be the first time I've heard of someone color changing a car TO F8!


Dave
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/04/11 11:18 PM

Quote:

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Thanks for all the replies. Maybe the car I am looking at was supposed to be an A12 and yours a GTX?



James would you do a favor for me and check to see if my broadcast sheet is in your car.......I'll check the RR for your sheet in the mean time


Be interesting to know the date code on the K-frame, my K-frame date code is 120 9 (April 30, 1969)

MikeR



It is not my car, I inspected it for a client who is looking to buy a 69 GTX. I am waiting to here if he wants it or not, but I do plan on going back and checking it out further. He said that there was no broadcast sheet found when the seats were out for the new carpet, but no other place they can be found at has been checked yet.
Posted By: 69x

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/05/11 01:16 AM

Rallye green Is very rare on a 69 GTX, I have never seen one before

Strange that someone painted it F8 green
Posted By: A12

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/05/11 01:53 AM

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Rallye green Is very rare on a 69 GTX, I have never seen one before

Strange that someone painted it F8 green



Even stranger that someone painted it GREEN as DaveP mentioned........nobody likes GREEN MOPARS....


MikeR

Before you flame me, I'm kidding!; go back through my history...I LOVE GREEN MOPARS!
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/05/11 01:55 AM

Here is a pic of the engine compartment, you can see some of the Rallye Green beneath the wiper motor.

Attached picture 6617720-May2011121.JPG
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/05/11 01:56 AM

A pic of the car.

Attached picture 6617725-May2011135.JPG
Posted By: Matt M

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/05/11 02:38 AM

Quote:

Rallye green Is very rare on a 69 GTX, I have never seen one before

Strange that someone painted it F8 green



I was thinking the same thing>>>>
Posted By: A12

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/05/11 02:48 AM

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Rallye green Is very rare on a 69 GTX, I have never seen one before

Strange that someone painted it F8 green



I was thinking the same thing>>>>



For Sure....could be a one of...........not going there but that's the only ONE/GTX that I have ever heard of in 97 Ralley GREEN, very, very rare IMO
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/05/11 06:12 AM

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...that's the only ONE/GTX that I have ever heard of in 97 Ralley GREEN, very, very rare IMO





If Rallye Green was not released for the GTX, you might expect to see a 99 paint code or something special with the VON. Neither is there. If it was released for the GTX, you think you'd see more cars in this color and from other plants also.
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/05/11 11:38 PM

Surely there are more 69 GTX's with Rallye Green, when was the color actually released?
Posted By: A12

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/05/11 11:51 PM

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Surely there are more 69 GTX's with Rallye Green, when was the color actually released?




Spring (Special) of 1969, so Lynch Road assembled cars would be around (guessing) 25XXXX on the VIN's and I'd doubt that any brochures that were already out notified anyone that was shopping that Rallye Green was available on a GTX and most of the color sheets with 97 on it would have been in the service department or the paint shop. They did a sales bulletin on the color but I think it was more geared toward the Road Runner and Super Bee with the Dodge version.

MikeR


MikeR
Posted By: A12

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/05/11 11:59 PM

Like I thought "Road Runner Only"


http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/paintChipCharts/_1969PaintChipCharts-01.shtml?load_img=5
Posted By: A12

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/06/11 12:02 AM

all of the '69 paint info; and I think whenever I've seen Rallye Green on a '69 paint chart the chart was printed in the Fall of 1969 ('70 models already out) or in 1970 or later.

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/paintChipCharts/1969PaintChipCharts-01.shtml

MikeR
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/06/11 12:03 AM

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Like I thought "Road Runner Only"


http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/paintChipCharts/_1969PaintChipCharts-01.shtml?load_img=5


but weren't there 69 Darts painted that colour also ?
Posted By: A12

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/06/11 12:07 AM

It keeps getting more and more interesting with this GTX in Rallye Green...I swear this was probably supposed to be my A12 Road Runner and that GTX was supposed to be Y4 Spanish Gold...

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/images/PIBs/1969/pib_9_page2.jpg



MikeR
Posted By: A12

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/06/11 12:09 AM

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Like I thought "Road Runner Only"


http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/paintChipCharts/_1969PaintChipCharts-01.shtml?load_img=5


but weren't there 69 Darts painted that colour also ?



Probably but I'm not into Darts..........Oh wait a minute yes I am


MikeR
Posted By: JohnRR

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/06/11 12:10 AM

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Like I thought "Road Runner Only"


http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/paintChipCharts/_1969PaintChipCharts-01.shtml?load_img=5


but weren't there 69 Darts painted that colour also ?



Probably but I'm not into Darts..........Oh wait a minute yes I am


MikeR



If I'm not mistaken also on the 69 'cuda
Posted By: A12

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/06/11 12:14 AM

I think that GTX should have looked like this in Y4 and with the GTX trim and they got the broadcast sheets mixed up

Attached picture 6619241-DSCF0465rs.jpg
Posted By: 69CoronetRT

Re: 69 GTX fender tag decode - 05/06/11 05:42 AM

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Surely there are more 69 GTX's with Rallye Green, when was the color actually released?



According to this undated, but by the context of the memo sent in January 1969, it was released February 1 for the Road Runner only. The four color chart for the A12 cars also state Road Runner only.

paint code 97 PIB release-page 1
paint code 97 PIB release-page 2

The earliest 97 car I have on file has a 3/10 SPD.

(It's a common belief that F6 and 97 were released with the A12s but both colors were available a before the A12s came out.)

If 97 was a color released only for the Road Runner but ordered on a Dart or Barracuda, I think you would see 99 or special VON coding.

That's what's odd about this car; there's no special coding for the paint.

Maybe we have one car that was destined to be a RR wind up a GTX and a car destined to be a GTX that wound up a Road Runner.
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