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Re: predator heads over priced?
[Re: johnl1961]
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04/25/11 03:02 PM
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that price is for the complete top end. you should check racingjunk.com you might find a deal on a pair of heads or a complete predator motor. i know eddie miller has his predator motor for sale.
598 ci predator
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Re: predator heads over priced?
[Re: johnl1961]
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04/25/11 03:06 PM
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Big B
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That's what I said too. That's why I am building a twin turbo with my Indy-1 heads. It will make more power then any NA Predator engine. Plus it will do it with a small Hydraulic roller on pump gas driven to and from the track. 
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Re: predator heads over priced?
[Re: Bob_Coomer]
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04/25/11 06:04 PM
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The price is in line with the big chief(chevy) thore (ford) equivolents.
True
But performance isnt... I dont care what Indy says... I know of one 1400+ HP Thor head combo, and put down the number to back it up too.
Whats the Predator guys making 1100 max?
I just dont know If I could pull the trigger on a Mopar engine like that and still be sucking hind tit at the back of the pack, when I could have 300+ HP more for same money..
Im a Mopar guy by all means......
But that's just common sense IMO.
I agree the Pred heads do not keep up with the pack at that price range. DTHemi would tell you what the Thor heads can do with a single carb! Those numbers would put shame to most any of our N/A mopars.
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Re: predator heads over priced?
[Re: Bob_Coomer]
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04/25/11 06:06 PM
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The price is in line with the big chief(chevy) thore (ford) equivolents.
True
But performance isnt... I dont care what Indy says... I know of one 1400+ HP Thor head combo, and put down the number to back it up too.
Whats the Predator guys making 1100 max?
I just dont know If I could pull the trigger on a Mopar engine like that and still be sucking hind tit at the back of the pack, when I could have 300+ HP more for same money..
Im a Mopar guy by all means......
But that's just common sense IMO.
That's why most build a big block instead of a hemi. 
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Re: predator heads over priced?
[Re: DaKuda]
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04/25/11 06:57 PM
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You can buy a HEMI '99 and be better off.
Somebody on here has a Hemi 99 engine with a billit block and a shade over 600 cubes, and that thing flies...For that kind of money, I would go with Hemi 99 heads and look for a good price on a block.
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Re: predator heads over priced?
[Re: gillman34]
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04/25/11 06:58 PM
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1231 hp. Bracket motor here. I will agree there is more to be had with(hp.) other brands, but you are very limited what can be done with a 4.80 bore center.
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Re: predator heads over priced?
[Re: Dragula]
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04/25/11 07:12 PM
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You can buy a HEMI '99 and be better off.
Somebody on here has a Hemi 99 engine with a billit block and a shade over 600 cubes, and that thing flies...For that kind of money, I would go with Hemi 99 heads and look for a good price on a block.
I think your refering to ARC, maybe he will chime in.
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Re: predator heads over priced?
[Re: Diablo]
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04/25/11 08:29 PM
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This is what bothers me about this site. There are 2 posts here that I know and they have real world experience with the predator product. That's Gillman and Boatracer572. Both have very competitive engines with great power levels and they actually race competitively. The 588 PSO motor being built here will also be a very nice Mopar engine, but when making over 1000HP with a Mopar, it's not for the part time racer, right Al??? Al Aguire has an 1100HP B1 M/C 500 CI engine that some people would call BS on. I've seen it run and it is what he says it is. What people need to realize is, what it costs to develop the PSO, B1, Predator, Hemi 99, and other race Mopar heads. It's not easy and it's not cheap, but alot of Mopar people are. Sorry JMO! We should support the people that support us, and that isn't the Chinese.
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Re: predator heads over priced?
[Re: camastomcat]
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04/25/11 08:45 PM
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This is what bothers me about this site. There are 2 posts here that I know and they have real world experience with the predator product. That's Gillman and Boatracer572. Both have very competitive engines with great power levels and they actually race competitively. The 588 PSO motor being built here will also be a very nice Mopar engine, but when making over 1000HP with a Mopar, it's not for the part time racer, right Al??? Al Aguire has an 1100HP B1 M/C 500 CI engine that some people would call BS on. I've seen it run and it is what he says it is. What people need to realize is, what it costs to develop the PSO, B1, Predator, Hemi 99, and other race Mopar heads. It's not easy and it's not cheap, but alot of Mopar people are. Sorry JMO! We should support the people that support us, and that isn't the Chinese.
Hmmm Could we at least add the cost and development of a b1-TS engine  I feel left out 
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Re: predator heads over priced?
[Re: camastomcat]
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04/25/11 08:54 PM
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This is what bothers me about this site. There are 2 posts here that I know and they have real world experience with the predator product. That's Gillman and Boatracer572. Both have very competitive engines with great power levels and they actually race competitively. The 588 PSO motor being built here will also be a very nice Mopar engine, but when making over 1000HP with a Mopar, it's not for the part time racer, right Al??? Al Aguire has an 1100HP B1 M/C 500 CI engine that some people would call BS on. I've seen it run and it is what he says it is. What people need to realize is, what it costs to develop the PSO, B1, Predator, Hemi 99, and other race Mopar heads. It's not easy and it's not cheap, but alot of Mopar people are. Sorry JMO! We should support the people that support us, and that isn't the Chinese.
Amen, Amen!
Also, the guys that have it don't spend it either. All mopar guys aren't poor, we just don't don't spend time developing our product like other brands. Big props to Larry, V. Gaines, Allen, Roy, and Larry O'brien for actually taking the time and money to develop Mopar Engines. If those guys hadn't done it, we would be even more behind the pace now.
Adriel Paradise
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Re: predator heads over priced?
[Re: camastomcat]
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04/25/11 10:31 PM
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It costs money to go fast, period. If you want to make power in the 4 digit plus range it is gonna cost you money, plain and simple. IMO the Predator head is the best option you have to make 1200+ hp with a Mopar and maintain reliability. Yes there is the Hemi 99 stuff but if you are a bracket racer living on a "budget" I dont think it is a viable option. Not just the build costs but the three people I know running them will tell you the reliability a bracket racer NEEDS just aint gonna be there. IMO a Mopar with a set of Predators can be reliable enough to run in Super Classes or Top Sportsman and Top Dragster and still make good power. Seems like another case of Mopar guys whining and crying about something. How many people posting here are willing to spend the money to make 1250+hp PERIOD. Whether it is Mopar, Ford or Chevy? I applaud guys like Steve, Tony and Tom for stepping up and not being afraid to spend money to put Mopars out front. I have talked to Tony and Steve about these heads and feel pretty comfortable they can get the job done. Are there better parts out there SURE are. They are out there because guys are willing to do what it takes to get the job done. To bad we dont have more Mopar guys willing to do the same. I know my next motor will be much bigger and have Predators...Now anybody wanna sell me a set cheap 
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