Reinstalling 4 speed??
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04/19/11 10:45 AM
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I just installed a newceterforce dual friction clutch on my 1969 Roadrunner. The old cluch was abused and over used I installed a bearing style pilot bearing, instead of the normal brass bushing while I was there. Now when attempting to put the tranny back in I am having trouble lining up the input shaft housing with the back of the bell housing. I can get the spines lines up and the tranny slides in up to the bell housing. I cant get it to fall in to the back of the bell housing. Believe me i was twisting it and moving it around but no luck. I have installed the tranny before and realize it can be a fight. I am just not sure if the bearing style pilot bearing is not giving me the same wiggle room. I will be back at it this afternoon. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Dean
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Re: Reinstalling 4 speed??
[Re: moepwr]
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04/19/11 04:02 PM
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the front bearing retainer is against the back of the bell housing just not lining up with the bell housing.
If its in that far the the shaft has to be in the pilot bearing by now.
The disk must not be centered. Hook up all the linkage and have someone depress the clutch while you line up the trans.
Get yourself 2 or 4 LONG bolts of the same size that bolt the trans to the bellhousing. Cut off the heads and file slots in each that will take a screwdriver. Screw them into the bellhousing and use them to both support and align the front of the trans (DO NOT "hang" the whole tranny on them). Once the trans is in replace one at a time with the proper bolts.
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Re: Reinstalling 4 speed??
[Re: JohnRR]
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04/19/11 04:26 PM
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It could be possible you have the wrong throw-out bearing, (too long), and you are actually trying to depress the pressure plate fingers as you put the tranny in. I agree with others that if the tranny is in far enough that the bearing retainer is hitting the back of the bell housing, you are in the pilot bushing. Do not ask how I know about the wrong throw our bearing. To check on the throw out bearing, put it in the clutch fork and hold it against the pressure plate fingers, see how close it is to the register hole in the bell housing, or use a small tape line and stick it through the center of the clutch disc and measure to the back of the throw out bearing, then measure back along the input shaft.bearing retainer and see if there is any interference, (like maybe you're close to the "step" where the machining stops on the bearing retainer where the throw out bearing rides). One other thing to check is for a "ridge" on the end of the input shaft that might be hanging on the pilot bushing. You do not want to know how I helped a "friend" find out about that one either. If you used an old input shaft to line up the clutch disc when you bolted down the pressure plate, and having the tranny in as far as you say, I'm not sure I would try the shot of pushing in the clutch to free up the clutch disc, (only as a last resort). If you try that, be ready, sometimes the throw out bearing can bind on the retainer and you will push the tranny back out, and those 833's are heavy. Good luck. "IF YOU'RE UNDER CONTROL, YOU AIN'T GOING FAST ENOUGH."
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Re: Reinstalling 4 speed??
[Re: Grant]
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05/03/11 04:08 PM
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thank you for the advice! the bearing collar is the same size as the bellhousing hole I made sure of that, but I will definitely try what you said when I get out of school, thank you!
It's possible the crank is not drilled deep enough , what pilot bearing are you using ? You may need to trim a little off the end of the input shaft .
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Re: Reinstalling 4 speed??
[Re: JohnRR]
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05/03/11 04:53 PM
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Re: Reinstalling 4 speed??
[Re: Grant]
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just a brass bushing
The one that is driven in the pilot hole in the crank or the new style that fits the converter register ? If the first how did it fit ?
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