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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: MR_P_BODY] #969957
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Does top fuel or funnycar run a traction control





It's not legal, but you know how that goes.....

and that's a good point......Keeping it out IMHO keeps it interesting and seperates the Men from the Boys....... BUT, it's getting harder and harder to police.......


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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: MR_P_BODY] #969958
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Does top fuel or funnycar run a traction control



Yes... they slip the clutch

Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: go green] #969959
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Anything thats helps provide safety is a plus
Losing traction in a fast car once ur going, can make
you soil ur pants, even worst, put it into the wall


Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: B1KILLER] #969960
04/10/11 04:42 PM
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Anything thats helps provide safety is a plus
Losing traction in a fast car once ur going, can make
you soil ur pants, even worst, put it into the wall








Look at the results from most any ADRL race whereever they are and you'll see at least one bad crash.


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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: Dodgeguy101] #969961
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I would say, pick up your right foot. If you need a device to tell you, you are in trouble, let someone else drive.




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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: slantzilla] #969962
04/10/11 09:26 PM
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Anything thats helps provide safety is a plus
Losing traction in a fast car once ur going, can make
you soil ur pants, even worst, put it into the wall








Look at the results from most any ADRL race whereever they are and you'll see at least one bad crash.





most of those cars use tobys box


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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: go green] #969963
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Anyone who thinks that traction control on fast cars should be illegal is a ill informed

You guys do realize that the fastest runs will be made NOT hitting the traction limiter ????????

TC is just as safety net for cars that can overpower the track .

If I break traction at the 330' and crash my car then $650 sounds pretty cheap .





If you are interested in a traction control buy the davis box. it uses timing retard and amounts to control the power. The msd dots use rpm limits and those dots wreak havok on head gaskets (hopefully they don't disapper like they used to in the old box either). The down side is the davis box that really works well is $2500.


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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: bigtimeauto] #969964
04/10/11 09:56 PM
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Anyone who thinks that traction control on fast cars should be illegal is a ill informed

You guys do realize that the fastest runs will be made NOT hitting the traction limiter ????????

TC is just as safety net for cars that can overpower the track .

If I break traction at the 330' and crash my car then $650 sounds pretty cheap .





If you are interested in a traction control buy the davis box. it uses timing retard and amounts to control the power. The msd dots use rpm limits and those dots wreak havok on head gaskets (hopefully they don't disapper like they used to in the old box either). The down side is the davis box that really works well is $2500.





I think the box I was looking at was tipping the scales at around $4000.00

Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System #969965
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Anyone who thinks that traction control on fast cars should be illegal is a ill informed

You guys do realize that the fastest runs will be made NOT hitting the traction limiter ????????

TC is just as safety net for cars that can overpower the track .

If I break traction at the 330' and crash my car then $650 sounds pretty cheap .





If you are interested in a traction control buy the davis box. it uses timing retard and amounts to control the power. The msd dots use rpm limits and those dots wreak havok on head gaskets (hopefully they don't disapper like they used to in the old box either). The down side is the davis box that really works well is $2500.





I think the box I was looking at was tipping the scales at around $4000.00





If you feel you need it then buy it . Its only money and we can make more.


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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: bigtimeauto] #969966
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Anyone who thinks that traction control on fast cars should be illegal is a ill informed

You guys do realize that the fastest runs will be made NOT hitting the traction limiter ????????

TC is just as safety net for cars that can overpower the track .

If I break traction at the 330' and crash my car then $650 sounds pretty cheap .





If you are interested in a traction control buy the davis box. it uses timing retard and amounts to control the power. The msd dots use rpm limits and those dots wreak havok on head gaskets (hopefully they don't disapper like they used to in the old box either). The down side is the davis box that really works well is $2500.





I think the box I was looking at was tipping the scales at around $4000.00





If you feel you need it then buy it . Its only money and we can make more.





Yep i'm feeling it alright. right in the old you know what

Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System #969967
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Anyone who thinks that traction control on fast cars should be illegal is a ill informed

You guys do realize that the fastest runs will be made NOT hitting the traction limiter ????????

TC is just as safety net for cars that can overpower the track .

If I break traction at the 330' and crash my car then $650 sounds pretty cheap .





If you are interested in a traction control buy the davis box. it uses timing retard and amounts to control the power. The msd dots use rpm limits and those dots wreak havok on head gaskets (hopefully they don't disapper like they used to in the old box either). The down side is the davis box that really works well is $2500.





I think the box I was looking at was tipping the scales at around $4000.00





If you feel you need it then buy it . Its only money and we can make more.





Yep i'm feeling it alright. right in the old you know what





LOL. I have a motec in my race car. If i decide i want to use the traction control part i can apply any parameter to any parameter to accomplish my needs. maybe i'll swap a drive by wire TB in it.


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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: bigtimeauto] #969968
04/11/11 04:56 PM
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I had the Davis system on my Road Runner for 3 years, loved it so much I never even made a pass without it. The first time I did make a pass without it I broke the FAST record which was in place for several years. (10.53 at the time) After that I ran into a few guy's who experienced the same thing, I pulled the davis from my car and never looked back. There has been a guy or two on this site who didn't take my advice via PM, by the end of the season they both PM'ed me and said they wasted a whole season and should have taken my advice. Hope this helps..


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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: bigtimeauto] #969969
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Anyone who thinks that traction control on fast cars should be illegal is a ill informed

You guys do realize that the fastest runs will be made NOT hitting the traction limiter ????????

TC is just as safety net for cars that can overpower the track .

If I break traction at the 330' and crash my car then $650 sounds pretty cheap .





If you are interested in a traction control buy the davis box. it uses timing retard and amounts to control the power. The msd dots use rpm limits and those dots wreak havok on head gaskets (hopefully they don't disapper like they used to in the old box either). The down side is the davis box that really works well is $2500.





I just love reading some of these posts. Unless you've driven a small tire car with upwards of 3000 horsepower you should stay out of this one. We had the best Davis unit on our Procharger car for several races. It cost us two for sure and a whole lot of aborted passes. Unless they've gotten a whole lot better over the last 2 years I wouldn't put one on my lawnmower. The MSD "Dots" worked MUCH better for us. We did get 3000 bucks for our 3 month old 5000 dollar unit.

Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: DaveDudek] #969970
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I had the Davis system on my Road Runner for 3 years, loved it so much I never even made a pass without it. The first time I did make a pass without it I broke the FAST record which was in place for several years. (10.53 at the time) After that I ran into a few guy's who experienced the same thing, I pulled the davis from my car and never looked back. There has been a guy or two on this site who didn't take my advice via PM, by the end of the season they both PM'ed me and said they wasted a whole season and should have taken my advice. Hope this helps..




We didn't lose a whole season but I was one of those PM'rs. It just plain didn't work for us and we had Roger from Racepak among several other real smart guys trying real hard to make it work.

Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: BobR] #969971
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Can someone lead me in the right direction with the msd dots unit?
I would like to stay with msd if I can since I'm familiar with their products.

Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System #969972
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The DOTS is just a rev limit you plot out on a graph. Pretty simple, the 7531 for example, you make a run on a good track with no issues. You copy that run and put the trace on the rev limit graph. Then you place dots where you want the RPM to be limited. The program makes a line that follows these dots. You can make the hole entire run on the DOTS if you want. But, when you hit the DOTS the engine falls down and has to come back to life. It worked great for me on nitrous but sometimes really gets me in trouble with the high stall and hard to control wheels speed my car now requires. There is a sample of this on MSD's website.

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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: Leon441] #969973
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The DOTS is just a rev limit you plot out on a graph. Pretty simple, the 7531 for example, you make a run on a good track with no issues. You copy that run and put the trace on the rev limit graph. Then you place dots where you want the RPM to be limited. The program makes a line that follows these dots. You can make the hole entire run on the DOTS if you want. But, when you hit the DOTS the engine falls down and has to come back to life. It worked great for me on nitrous but sometimes really gets me in trouble with the high stall and hard to control wheels speed my car now requires. There is a sample of this on MSD's website.

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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System #969974
04/12/11 11:14 PM
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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: megajoltman] #969975
04/13/11 07:42 PM
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MSD 7531 as said is not traction control.

You would want to use the 7720 ignition although you can run other MSD units.

Then the 7730 System controller.

Then to get their form of traction control you would want the SLEW RATE and TIME BASED REV LIMITER MODULE 7761 which not only does rev limiting based on engine speed vs time but drive shaft speed vs time(TRACTION CONTROL). I would recommend to leave the slew rate off.

Leon


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Re: Anyone running a Davis Traction Control System [Re: Leon441] #969976
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This whole TC thing is a big deal in Europe at the moment..Allegations abound ,that a TMD team on the FIA tour have been using TC. Slow mo Videos of engines dropping cylinders ,,then firing again of the start line , ,Incredible 330 ft times for a Whipple blown car ,,Trouble is its bloody hard to detect,, so no one wants to protest it....Personally i think getting your car set up right is part of the sport,, but from a safety point,, i think there is an argument for making it legal in some classes ,, Hey but what do i know ......

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