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66 Dodge Coronets:
1 Red- auto: fully restored (Fred Klyne car)
1 Gold- auto: undergoing full restoration (B/E@A)
1 White- auto: exists still, Gartlis Muesuem

66 Plymouth Belv II
1 Dark Green- 4 speed, Stolen/MIA Probably existed but no VIN# to verify

67 Plymouth Belv II
1 Blue- auto: Export car, in Finland.

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About 12 or 15 years ago there was a 64 or 65 Belvedere 4 door Hemi 4 spd at at the Charlotte Auto Fair in North Carolina.The owner said that it had been special ordered by a Sheriff some where because he was tired of being outrun during high speed chases.The car had been restored and I think he wanted 17K at that time.That was before Muscle car prices had gone crazy.The car and story seemed legit! I looked at the car a couple of times during the weekend but did not take any pics.Anyone else ever herd of this car?

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Then there are the "story" cars, there's thousands of those

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66 Plymouth Belv II
1 Dark Green- 4 speed, Stolen/MIA Probably existed but no VIN# to verify

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Scott- Was awaiting your (debating) input.

Short of a VIN, the following points have been brought forth and documented on this site- and since archived in the Best Of Moparts:

1) Date when car was ordered
2) Plant assembled
3) Date delivered to original owner
4) Dealer delivered to
5) Input on this board from the original/4th owner
6) Input on this board from 2nd owner
7) Date and location stolen from
8) Pictures from original owner
9) Picture from 2nd owner

The pursuit of verifiable documentation to authenticate rare cars is noted and appreciated- this is a must within any hobby. The .02 input always seeking to debunk, in the face of 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' information clearly presented, gets old.

There is nothing to be gained by myself or anyone else who had taken the time to provide this data. The only object is to show it did exist. If there is a goal here, it is to determine what happened to the car after 7/5/1980: what ended up being 'saved' and what was discarded.

Have fun.

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Scott- Was awaiting your (debating) input.

Short of a VIN, the following points have been brought forth and documented on this site- and since archived in the Best Of Moparts:

1) Date when car was ordered
2) Plant assembled
3) Date delivered to original owner
4) Dealer delivered to
5) Input on this board from the original/4th owner
6) Input on this board from 2nd owner
7) Date and location stolen from
8) Pictures from original owner
9) Picture from 2nd owner

The pursuit of verifiable documentation to authenticate rare cars is noted and appreciated- this is a must within any hobby. The .02 input always seeking to debunk, in the face of 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' information clearly presented, gets old.

There is nothing to be gained by myself or anyone else who had taken the time to provide this data. The only object is to show it did exist. If there is a goal here, it is to determine what happened to the car after 7/5/1980: what ended up being 'saved' and what was discarded.

Have fun.

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You had me at "Short Of the VIN"

Nothing more needs to be said, I offered that it "Probably" existed at one time based on the reasons you cited. But 100% proof that it was a factory built H code Hemi car does not exist at this time, sorry. I really hope the car still exists (while doubtful) as if it surfaces we'll all know 100% FOR CERTAIN what it is/was.

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Scott- Was awaiting your (debating) input.

Short of a VIN, the following points have been brought forth and documented on this site- and since archived in the Best Of Moparts:

1) Date when car was ordered
2) Plant assembled
3) Date delivered to original owner
4) Dealer delivered to
5) Input on this board from the original/4th owner
6) Input on this board from 2nd owner
7) Date and location stolen from
8) Pictures from original owner
9) Picture from 2nd owner

The pursuit of verifiable documentation to authenticate rare cars is noted and appreciated- this is a must within any hobby. The .02 input always seeking to debunk, in the face of 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' information clearly presented, gets old.

There is nothing to be gained by myself or anyone else who had taken the time to provide this data. The only object is to show it did exist. If there is a goal here, it is to determine what happened to the car after 7/5/1980: what ended up being 'saved' and what was discarded.

Have fun.

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You had me at "Short Of the VIN"

Nothing more needs to be said, I offered that it "Probably" existed at one time based on the reasons you cited. But 100% proof that it was a factory built H code Hemi car does not exist at this time, sorry. I really hope the car still exists (while doubtful) as if it surfaces we'll all know 100% FOR CERTAIN what it is/was.

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From the archive on this topic- as quoted from my father's written account of all the Hemi cars delivered through Franklin Motors, Wyckoff, NJ in 1966:

""My car - Belvedere II 4 door sedan, forest green metallic with citron gold cloth interior, drum brakes, light package, foam seat padding, wheel covers, drum brakes, manual steering, wood grained steering wheel, 4 speed, am radio with rear speaker. The car was ordered by Franklin Motors on 3/22/66, and built almost immediately in St Louis, Missouri. It arrived at Wyckoff on Thursday, 4/7. I drove it as my only car for 72,000 miles during a 22 month period. In March 1968, my second cousin Allen Greg Bull bought the car. I believe he sold it to owner #3 who sold it to owner #4, who owned a gas station in Hackensack NJ. I bought the car back in March/April 1972, with 112,000 - 115,000 miles on it."

We do not have pics of the fender tag or VIN- tell me who was doing so back in the day. If old pics were available of these things, I'm sure they too would be to grainy to be of credible value anyway.....right?

The car was stolen in 1980- long before these cars had a resurgence in popularity and value. After years of saving registrations and old insurance cards, it was time to let go of the painful memory of the car being stolen: they were all discarded in the early 1990s along with the key sets we still had for the car.

The person who ordered this car has spoken here on this topic. Pics have been provided, etc.

Believe what you wish.

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I also believe the publicized 4 known 4-door HEMI cars are exactly that - 4 known of more than 4 built.

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I am sure there were some others, besides those discussed here.

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FWIW - I believe the green car to be real.

I also believe the publicized 4 known 4-door HEMI cars are exactly that - 4 known of more than 4 built.

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Well put. I also think the green car is probably real, but unfortunately no proof exists any more (or at least none has come forward) so I will continue to believe that is real AND undocumented. Sucks that the original owner threw out all the proof, but he did. At this point all there is left is the original owner's word, which I have no reason to doubt.......but it isn't proof.


Dave

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In the process.

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Howdy Mike,
That is one of the most BEAUTIFUL colors and body styles I have ever seen! That model is the quintessential example of what these cars represented back in the day. Keep up the good work! More pictures!!

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Scott- Was awaiting your (debating) input.

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I think we got off on the wrong foot here. Please keep in mind that my post(s)were not some kind of personal attack on you (or anyone else), nor was it an attempt to debate you. As I said, the car probably did get built. However, I will refrain from using words to describe it such as "Absalute" "Documented" "Certain" when talking about a car that there is no known recorded VIN# to confirm it's originallity.

Another good example is the Dark Red Metallic 1967 Belvedere II Hemi car pictured on my website. It's one of those "One of None" cars that Chrysler claims were never built, yet there are a bunch of verified originals now, as well as the unverified but very likely, original dark red car I mentioned. I got the pic from the man whos brother bought it new, he had the dealer name, decent photos, and very detailed info on the car.....all but the VIN# that would have solidly documented the car. It was sold in the early 70's and hasn't been seen since.

Maybe someday it will turn up and put it to rest for good. Like others here, I also believe there were other cars built that have been lost to the junk yard gods or are yet to be discovered. Hopefully Darrell Davis will continue his work with Chrysler and obtain the IBM file records on the cars produced after 1965, then we can see just how many were actually built and put this subject to rest!