Who Can Anodize Trim?
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I had Mike Voth at All Trim redo my 65 Fury I 2 door molding.
Unfortunately the passenger side quarter molding is a couple of inches too long to fit in his anodizing tank. The molding is around 93 inches long and 3/4 inches wide.
So I need to find a vendor that can bright anodize the piece for me. It is fully polished and ready for dipping.
Who is reputable and can do this one piece for me?
67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph 67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph 69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......
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Re: Who Can Anodize Trim?
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03/10/11 01:37 PM
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Why would he not disclose that before doing every other piece? All the trim should go in the same chemical tank or it likely will never match...
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Re: Who Can Anodize Trim?
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Randy, bluntly! you have no clue as to your opinion. also, like everyone does when complaining on moparts he left out some of the story. (I don't think was complaining just looking for options, but you jumped in with your drama without knowing anything about it rather than trying to help)...
1.) had i known it wasn't going to fit i wouldn't have taken it in!
2.) it was not realized until after the parts were all racked and ready run and going into the tank that it was not going to fit. i even re-racked it on another rack and tried to get it to fit by itself.
3.) why did i take it in? because i used to run these long parts all the time for the 60's impala crowd, but made some changes in the tank for air line configuration and I lost 1.5 inches of space, but had not ran any of the longer parts since then... so without realizing the space change would now limit parts (as the changes were minor), longer parts over 90 no longer fit.
4.) when i run parts it is often that not all the parts fit on the same rack, so are therefore ran at different times on different racks, even on different days.. so the parameters in which they are run can vary by a few minutes, a few degrees in temperature, by a few amps or volts per part, and even chemical make up depending on many factors...
so your opinion that parts have to be ran at the same time is a lack of your knowledge and theory on the process, and BS!
5.) he was offered an option to get it done elsewhere, but because of the commercial nature of shops reluctantly doing auto trim didn't like the expressed warranty that, it might end up with rack scratches/ damage and that there are no guarantees or warranty. neither of us were comfortable with that but it had to be disclosed (and he made his decisions), and was part of the risk every time i did something prior to putting in my own tanks (the whole reason i put in my own tanks, not mention the other guys high prices), only to have to implement the same restriction here (for loss in tanks) as i wasn't about to dive into a hot acid bath to save any thing. (this is all the behind the scenes stuff you people wanting this done, have no clue about what goes into doing this. it's not just here it's everywhere, with everyone that does this).
5a). so why he asking about it here? when he had it all figured out to go with special T's maybe it because special T's charges ridiculous prices for the process and now he doesn't now want to pay the price? or maybe now Special T's wont take it in? (BTW the price for the above option was not anywhere near what he was quoted for the alternative offered).
6.) does it bother me? yes! this job was one of those jobs that had to be perfect, and it never fails when that is the requirement, something will go wrong or it will take ten times the amount of effort compensated for to get the end result, without additional compensation.
7.) not to worry for all those that will inevitably get involved in the drama, and say wow i would never use that guy, etc,
don't worry, I am no longer doing retail minded customer trim!
BTW the parts on this grille were all anodized at different times and places, one was even anodized in china, and the minimal differences are no different than the way the parts come from the factory.... do you think they took the time to make sure every part had the same reflective hue etc, and matched from part to part?
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Re: Who Can Anodize Trim?
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Never used them yet but look these guys up: Charlotte Anodizing Products, Inc. They are located in Charlotte, MI and have a 20 foot long tank.
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Re: Who Can Anodize Trim?
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Not looking to get into a pissing match with you Mike.. But honestly there are significant variations in the grill surround trim you posted due to the mix & match nature to the parts... Yes you can run parts in your tanks at varying times & they should match closely enough to satisfy most customers, however have someone else who's tanks chemical make-up is somewhat different run the parts at a different voltage & for a longer or shorter duration & the results won't be the same.... Yes from the factory there were variations, different suppliers, different operators, any of a number of variables... But a man doesn't bring his NOS parts to you for refinishing to be told about "acceptable variations".... Acceptable variations is a very vague term, what one man finds acceptable another will find completely unacceptable... If I shop my trim repair work by price than I need to be willing to accept work like the picture you posted.... When I step up & pay big $$ to a guy that proclaims his stuff can take judging on a show field than what I consider acceptable variation drops substantially.. & the grille you posted sure wouldn't cut it.... BTW I talked to a guy thats worked on enough show level trim & verified what I stated was correct about what you say I don't have a clue about... BTW Why the new name?? Why are so many people looking for a new trim guy? Funny you say you had problems with parts coming back from being anodized with scratches.. I've heard you aren't the only one to experience that problem....
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Re: Who Can Anodize Trim?
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You may also try Matt at MCB. He did a nice job one my hood trim and headlamp bezels. Joe
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Re: Who Can Anodize Trim?
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Thank you very much for those that responded. I talked with Matt at MCB and he was great. Charlotte does his anodizing. I called Charlotte, and unlike Special T they were great to deal with. Gave me a great price and I got it back 7 days after I sent it back. Piece looks great! I can't tell any difference between this piece and the other pieces. I am very pleased!
67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph 67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph 69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......
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Re: Who Can Anodize Trim?
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yes! this job was one of those jobs that had to be perfect, and it never fails when that is the requirement, something will go wrong or it will take ten times the amount of effort compensated for to get the end result, without additional compensation.
For those of us in the restoration biz, in one form or another, no truer words have been spoken.
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Re: Who Can Anodize Trim?
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yes! this job was one of those jobs that had to be perfect, and it never fails when that is the requirement, something will go wrong or it will take ten times the amount of effort compensated for to get the end result, without additional compensation.
For those of us in the restoration biz, in one form or another, no truer words have been spoken.
Should a paying customer expect anything less than a perfect job for his money or are there different levels of perfect?... such as really perfect, perfect, less than perfect, not even close to perfect? Just wondering.
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Re: Who Can Anodize Trim?
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Should a paying customer expect anything less than a perfect job for his money or are there different levels of perfect?... such as really perfect, perfect, less than perfect, not even close to perfect? Just wondering.
There are different levels of any type of work short of the medical field. A customer paying Earl Shibe prices should expect less than perfection. Driver job for driver prices, Autorama job for Autorama prices. Do you really think I'd put the hours and pain into a absolute show quality paint job when the customer wanted and paid for a driver type job? I'd out of biz pretty darn quick. Can't live on 3/hr.
My question was pertaining to anodizing trim. I wasn't leaning towards any sarcasm, I was just curious to know if there were different levels of trim restoration. I realize that pricing will vary depending on who's doing the work, my question was about levels of trim restoration. Are there different quality levels and different pricing for those levels. I always thought anodizing was a process that didn't have a wide spectrum of variation.
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