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Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? #946328
03/08/11 04:38 PM 03/08/11 04:38 PM
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I am in the midst of picking a cam and lifter setup for a blown 440. I was under the impression that a solid roller won't live very long on the street due to the lack of oiling at idle. Is this really an issue? I have another motor that has a solid roller setup with a Jesel system, but I don't drive it on the street for that reason. Let me hear from those that know, thanks Dan.
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: drdan] #946329
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Spend some time learning the Search feature and you'll probably be able to dig up a dozen threads over the last few years that get into exactly this debate.
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: BradH] #946330
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yes they live on the street.
dont know about the idle problem my old 340 sat mostly idling at +-800rpms for 8+straight hours during a warm summercruisenight

Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: drdan] #946331
03/08/11 05:54 PM 03/08/11 05:54 PM
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In every thread about solid rollers on the street, you will hear some say "I have been doing it for years" and others say "dont do it".

So, you pick!

Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: drdan] #946332
03/08/11 06:20 PM 03/08/11 06:20 PM
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I'll be running one in my drag week car... the lifters
have roller oiling(hole in the lifter)
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #946333
03/08/11 06:41 PM 03/08/11 06:41 PM
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In every thread about solid rollers on the street, you will hear some say "I have been doing it for years" and others say "dont do it".

So, you pick!


Most that will tell you not to do it, haven't done it themselves.

My hemi doesn't even have pressure oiling to the lifters (solid rollers). The only oil they get is either splashed on them or drainback from the heads. Going on 5 years now w/ no problems.

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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #946334
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In every thread about solid rollers on the street, you will hear some say "I have been doing it for years" and others say "dont do it".

So, you pick!


Most that will tell you not to do it, haven't done it themselves.

My hemi doesn't even have pressure oiling to the lifters (solid rollers). The only oil they get is either splashed on them or drainback from the heads. Going on 5 years now w/ no problems.



someone will call you a liar soon

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Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #946335
03/08/11 07:18 PM 03/08/11 07:18 PM
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Quote:

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In every thread about solid rollers on the street, you will hear some say "I have been doing it for years" and others say "dont do it".

So, you pick!


Most that will tell you not to do it, haven't done it themselves.

My hemi doesn't even have pressure oiling to the lifters (solid rollers). The only oil they get is either splashed on them or drainback from the heads. Going on 5 years now w/ no problems.


same here ...well over 5 years. comp 829,s k motion 1000h springs.825# @1.200"

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Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: Old School] #946336
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boils down to a few things.
-cam aggression
-spring pressure
Thats why you can get so many diff opinions. You cant compare what one person says to another unless the engine and conditions are identical.. FACT

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Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #946337
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The guy at the shop I worked at used to recommend solid rollers for the guys who were just cruisers because they held up to all the idling around better than flat tappets.

"Everybody funny, now you funny too."
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: drdan] #946338
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Here is a quick summary of the general responses of the past 50 threads on this exact topic:

"Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle?"

HECK YES, DO IT!
HECK NO, You'll be sorry!
POSSIBLY, But...!

There is your clear answer.....
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: drdan] #946339
03/08/11 08:10 PM 03/08/11 08:10 PM
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Oiling should not be a problem

Ramp profile is the limiting factor for street use.

Mild ramp profile,adequate spring pressure, limited low rpm idleing...
No Problem..

Agressive ramp profile, inadequate spring pressure , prolonged idleing... Problems....
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: ToddP] #946340
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I don't know whether to get excited or depressed yet. I have built a solid roller big block stroker, haven't fired it yet, and my emotions are a roller coaster watching these posts about solid rollers! Lol. Some of the solid roller responses can make you act bipolar. So I just say

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Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: ChrgrCuda] #946341
03/08/11 08:58 PM 03/08/11 08:58 PM
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I have never had a roller lifter failure but I have a had a solid lifter failure......go figure.....

Maybe take a poll of people with lifter/cam failures vs type of cam/lifter combo.....
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: Evil67] #946342
03/08/11 09:05 PM 03/08/11 09:05 PM
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SCAREY stuff .....

There have been several posts here about lifter failures and how it TRASHES the motor....

I am planning a special RV build that might require a very aggressive cam(near 600 lift, quick ramp, short duration) ....and would need roller lifters .... but I sure don't want to be on-the-road and have a lifter come apart.

uNtil I can find a reliable combo ....I am going to stick with a "regular" cam ...

Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #946343
03/08/11 09:12 PM 03/08/11 09:12 PM
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I'll be running one in my drag week car... the lifters
have roller oiling(hole in the lifter)




What brand ??



At the Indy show on the weekend I saw Hughes had his house-brand roller lifters at a very reasonable price. I asked if they had roller oiling and the reply was no and that he didn't think ANYONE was making them for big block Mopars. You'd think he'd have a line right in to the lifter and cam manufacturers, wouldn't you ?!?
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: Stanton] #946344
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Quote:

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I'll be running one in my drag week car... the lifters
have roller oiling(hole in the lifter)




What brand ??



At the Indy show on the weekend I saw Hughes had his house-brand roller lifters at a very reasonable price. I asked if they had roller oiling and the reply was no and that he didn't think ANYONE was making them for big block Mopars. You'd think he'd have a line right in to the lifter and cam manufacturers, wouldn't you ?!?



Maybe big blocks dont have them, but do small blocks?
Mr.P is running a small block if i am not mistaken.

Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: HEMIDARTS] #946345
03/08/11 09:48 PM 03/08/11 09:48 PM
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Quote:

Quote:

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I'll be running one in my drag week car... the lifters
have roller oiling(hole in the lifter)




What brand ??



At the Indy show on the weekend I saw Hughes had his house-brand roller lifters at a very reasonable price. I asked if they had roller oiling and the reply was no and that he didn't think ANYONE was making them for big block Mopars. You'd think he'd have a line right in to the lifter and cam manufacturers, wouldn't you ?!?



Maybe big blocks dont have them, but do small blocks?
Mr.P is running a small block if i am not mistaken.



Yes its a small block... I got the lifters from Brian
(ou812 ) here on the board... not sure if they were
going to be made by Comp... but I bought direct from
him
Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: ChrgrCuda] #946346
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I don't know whether to get excited or depressed yet. I have built a solid roller big block stroker, haven't fired it yet, and my emotions are a roller coaster watching these posts about solid rollers! Lol. Some of the solid roller responses can make you act bipolar. So I just say

You think it`s a roller coaster now, wait till you drive it. Solid roller all the way...........6 years myself and just had the rollers rebuilt and two were going away w/LOTS of street miles. Check out the vid below.....

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Re: Will solid rollers live in a street vehicle? [Re: Thumperdart] #946347
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Awesome Thumper! Here is my emotion now Thanks buddy. I probably need to turn off the computer now so I will sleep well. Lol.

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