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Re: 430" small block build [Re: OUTLAWD] #912862
07/21/12 09:02 PM
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I don't know all the details, so I will let Dave tell the story, but I do know what it made today before the wussy had to go to a birthday party .

Rod

Re: 430" small block build [Re: BPE] #912863
07/21/12 10:11 PM
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lol... man did i get my balls busted for having to goto a party today - when the real party was just gettin started.

so as a recap - we have swapped to:

SDSS stage 4 heads,
victor 340 intake - port & gasket match
same headers
same roller cam

ran the 750 & 830 cabs again

made 562 hp @6000
made 557 Ft/lbs at 4600

torque was over 500 ft/ lbs from 3600 to 5800 -

not a bad street strip setup - with nice gains from the stock heads and air gap.. I was expecting a little more but the numbers are what they are.


interesting fact : we went from 1.19 hp/cu to 1.29 hp/cu from the swap

Re: 430" small block build [Re: DJVCuda] #912864
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more cam and bigger headers

Re: 430" small block build [Re: DJVCuda] #912865
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Nice gain , it picked more than I thought it would. Now put a set if 1 7/8" primary, 3 1/2" colector Heddmans on it and see what it'll make.

Re: 430" small block build [Re: OUTLAWD] #912866
07/22/12 12:35 AM
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cool,better than I thought! Now get back at it!
Keith

Re: 430" small block build [Re: meus31] #912867
07/22/12 09:55 AM
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Quote:

more cam and bigger headers




actually thats exactly whats up next

Re: 430" small block build [Re: DJVCuda] #912868
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I would say the intake was most of the change would love to see back to back intake swap.

Re: 430" small block build [Re: W5DART66] #912869
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there were increases in flow as well as port volume, so i dont think it;s all the intake.. but thats just my opinion.

I've got limited time to do alot more testing so I doubt i'll have the time to swap the intake.

Re: 430" small block build [Re: DJVCuda] #912870
07/22/12 02:57 PM
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Too bad ya dont have a super vic to test, Thanks for the post its been good from the start

Re: 430" small block build [Re: emarine01] #912871
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Too bad ya dont have a super vic to test, Thanks for the post its been good from the start




super victor is part of the recipe for the next test

Re: 430" small block build [Re: DJVCuda] #912872
07/23/12 01:57 AM
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Nice! I am liking these LA motors more and more


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Re: 430" small block build [Re: DJVCuda] #912873
07/24/12 11:38 AM
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out with the old:



In with the new:

MCH CNC heads - 2.055 in / 1.60 ex
COMP Solid roller - Dur 258/262, Lift .639/645 w/ 1.5's
Ported Eddy Super Victor intake
1000 hp Holley

Going for a 1 3/4 to 1 7/8 step header as well to test

( paint looks red in my pix, but it's orange )


Re: 430" small block build [Re: DJVCuda] #912874
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I have the same pan on my engine. How much oil are you running?

Any why the switch between SDSS ported heads and the MCH CNC'd heads? Kind of adds another variable to the equation.

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Re: 430" small block build [Re: DJVCuda] #912875
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Quote:

out with the old:



In with the new:

MCH CNC heads - 2.055 in / 1.60 ex
COMP Solid roller - Dur 258/262, Lift .639/645 w/ 1.5's
Ported Eddy Super Victor intake
1000 hp Holley

Going for a 1 3/4 to 1 7/8 step header as well to test

( paint looks red in my pix, but it's orange )






I'm going to be curious of this next set up... much
closer to my set up.... got the total specs on the
cam like LSA..... with the header change I think its
gonna really start to show some numbers.... good luck


Re: 430" small block build [Re: DJVCuda] #912876
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How much compression does it have now? It would've been great to see the other combo with a different set of headers. Maybe you could run both sets on this configuration for a A to B comparison.

Re: 430" small block build [Re: MR_P_BODY] #912877
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Quote:

I have the same pan on my engine. How much oil are you running?

Any why the switch between SDSS ported heads and the MCH CNC'd heads? Kind of adds another variable to the equation.




I flow tested all 3 heads that will be run on the motor - the MCH's flow the best. as well as more port volume. low lift ( and average cfm ) was a significant increase with the Modern's

Running 6.5 qts

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I'm going to be curious of this next set up... much
closer to my set up.... got the total specs on the
cam like LSA..... with the header change I think its
gonna really start to show some numbers.... good luck






i'm hoping the paint job alone will get me to 600 - lol

The 600 hp mark is what I am after at this point -


cam :

108 LSA + 4



288/292 @ .020" Duration
258/262 @ .050" Duration
181/185 @ .200" Duration
.426"/.430" Lobe lift
.639"/.645" Advertised Lift with 1.5:1 rockers

Re: 430" small block build [Re: justinp61] #912878
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How much compression does it have now? It would've been great to see the other combo with a different set of headers. Maybe you could run both sets on this configuration for a A to B comparison.



I plant to test a set of 1 3/4 to 1 7/8 steps now that I got them

we are a hair under 11:1 with the CC's of these heads.
I think it's 10.75:1 to be exact, but i cant remember off the top of my head.

Re: 430" small block build [Re: DJVCuda] #912879
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108 LSA + 4



288/292 @ .020" Duration
258/262 @ .050" Duration
181/185 @ .200" Duration
.426"/.430" Lobe lift
.639"/.645" Advertised Lift with 1.5:1 rockers




My cam is similar but with a couple differences..
mine is 105 lsa installed at 105(didnt want the added
torque with advancing it to increase the stall point)
the lift is the same but I have a few more degrees
on the exhaust side... same on the intake... with
basically the same compression.... I know your gonna
have more torque due to the stroke over my set up

Re: 430" small block build [Re: MR_P_BODY] #912880
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What were your numbers?

Re: 430" small block build [Re: DJVCuda] #912881
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What were your numbers?




Dont know yet... I first put the engine in the car
without any dyno time but had oil issues... this time
I'm going on the dyno so that SHOULD be in about 10
days I figure... waiting on the new rings right now

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