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Thanks To John Cope.... CRT #908975 01/19/11 10:50 PM 01/19/11 10:50 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY OP Master
MR_P_BODY OP Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I needed a new input shaft and support for my 518 to change it to a 727 input so I can run one of my race converters in my Rampage. John asked if it was the big or small mid shaft(front of the mid shaft)... well it had the small front... of course its the harder to find part .... well he came through for me... he sent me a new input shaft that fits the small mid shaft with a new pump and support.... Thanks John now I have everything needed to make a go fast OD trans without lock up for my drag week car

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: MR_P_BODY] #908976 01/19/11 11:50 PM 01/19/11 11:50 PM
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sam64 pro stock Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,285 okla.	maybe some of us okies will get to meet you drag week in tulsa,they say its coming through here. Last edited by sam64; 01/19/11 11:51 PM.

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: sam64] #908977 01/20/11 12:12 AM 01/20/11 12:12 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY OP Master
MR_P_BODY OP Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: maybe some of us okies will get to meet you drag week in tulsa,they say its coming through here. So I hear... hopefully I can get mine done for it... me and my buddy were talking price to head out there with one or both rides and it looks like it would cost us about $1300 each if we both register but less if I ride shotgun again... I'm trying to get mine done but still have a TON of work ahead of me

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: MR_P_BODY] #908978 01/20/11 12:31 AM 01/20/11 12:31 AM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,110 toledo, ohio plasticfantastic top fuel
plasticfantastic top fuel Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,110 toledo, ohio	Quote: Quote: maybe some of us okies will get to meet you drag week in tulsa,they say its coming through here. So I hear... hopefully I can get mine done for it... me and my buddy were talking price to head out there with one or both rides and it looks like it would cost us about $1300 each if we both register but less if I ride shotgun again... I'm trying to get mine done but still have a TON of work ahead of me get it done and have him ride shotgun!! Wish I was closer, be there helping/learning, on a side note I may have a pair of doors for you.

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: plasticfantastic] #908979 01/20/11 12:36 AM 01/20/11 12:36 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY OP Master
MR_P_BODY OP Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: Quote: maybe some of us okies will get to meet you drag week in tulsa,they say its coming through here. So I hear... hopefully I can get mine done for it... me and my buddy were talking price to head out there with one or both rides and it looks like it would cost us about $1300 each if we both register but less if I ride shotgun again... I'm trying to get mine done but still have a TON of work ahead of me get it done and have him ride shotgun!! Wish I was closer, be there helping/learning, on a side note I may have a pair of doors for you. I could use a drivers door if its nice... I should have the front of the chassis tacked together by Sunday... the back part is pretty easy... I got everything for the engine, trans... still need to buy my radiator and brakes... that should be it for the big stuff EDIT I can use both door panels(interior).... Doug is this from a L body(2 door Omni/Horizon) or a Rampage I have a broken piece of trim that is Rampage only Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 01/20/11 12:42 AM.

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: MR_P_BODY] #908980 01/20/11 01:38 AM 01/20/11 01:38 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,771 Cedar Lake IN CRT master
CRT master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,771 Cedar Lake IN	Glad I can help ya with that hard to find part. See at the track P body Thanks for the biz

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: MR_P_BODY] #908981 01/20/11 01:48 AM 01/20/11 01:48 AM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,110 toledo, ohio plasticfantastic top fuel
plasticfantastic top fuel Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,110 toledo, ohio	Quote: I can use both door panels(interior).... Doug is this from a L body(2 door Omni/Horizon) or a Rampage I have a broken piece of trim that is Rampage only its a rampage... Word I'm getting is the doors may be trashed, I'm going to look at it this weekend. what trim do you need?

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: plasticfantastic] #908982 01/20/11 01:50 AM 01/20/11 01:50 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY OP Master
MR_P_BODY OP Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: I can use both door panels(interior).... Doug is this from a L body(2 door Omni/Horizon) or a Rampage I have a broken piece of trim that is Rampage only its a rampage... Word I'm getting is the doors may be trashed, I'm going to look at it this weekend. what trim do you need? Doug I might be interested in the whole thing EDIT the trim piece on the back edge of the drivers door opening that goes to the back window Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 01/20/11 01:52 AM.

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: MR_P_BODY] #908983 01/20/11 02:10 PM 01/20/11 02:10 PM
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Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: MR_P_BODY] #908984 01/20/11 04:26 PM 01/20/11 04:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC	Quote: John asked if it was the big or small mid shaft(front of the mid shaft)... John is the trans man, good guy. I have a A518, non-lockup, hydraulic (RH), and this may be in my future, so What are the approximate dimensions that identify the "small" or "big" shaft? 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: 440Jim] #908985 01/20/11 05:47 PM 01/20/11 05:47 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY OP Master
MR_P_BODY OP Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: John asked if it was the big or small mid shaft(front of the mid shaft)... John is the trans man, good guy. I have a A518, non-lockup, hydraulic (RH), and this may be in my future, so What are the approximate dimensions that identify the "small" or "big" shaft? As John said to me... one is the size of a pencil (518) and one is the size of a cigar(I think he said cigar... might have said finger 727) right on the end of the mid shaft..... looking at it Jim the hole in the input is like 3/8"(this is what the 518 mid shaft goes into) EDIT Come to think of it Jim I dont think you need to change the input being yours is a NON lock up... I believe a 727 conv fits your input already... you have what I was looking for(non lock up) Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 01/20/11 05:53 PM.

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: MR_P_BODY] #908986 01/20/11 11:35 PM 01/20/11 11:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC	Raff, thanks for the info. I have one complete, and one parts (the main case was cracked in the junk yard). This is the shaft in the parts transmission. This one has the pencil sized, 0.345" dia, end for the thrust washer. Tomorrow I will see if my 727 converter fits the input/pump/reaction support. 6429934-A518_nonlockup17.JPG (44 downloads) 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: 440Jim] #908987 01/20/11 11:36 PM 01/20/11 11:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC	And just for documentation, this is what that entire shaft looks like. 6429939-A518_nonlockup14_shaft.JPG (65 downloads) 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: 440Jim] #908988 01/21/11 12:02 AM 01/21/11 12:02 AM
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StrkrDart69 super stock Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 892 Illinois	John is a great person to work with.

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: 440Jim] #908989 01/21/11 01:23 PM 01/21/11 01:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC	Quote: Tomorrow I will see if my 727 converter fits the input/pump/reaction support. My A518 (non-lockup) pump/reaction support/input shaft slide right into a 727 converter. The setup I have has 24 splines on the input shaft (and no lockup through hole). And the tip of the input shaft has splines all the way to the end (727 style). I believe the lockup shafts have 23 splines on the input shaft and a machined smooth tip (pic attached). And as Raff mentioned, the lockup reaction support has different fluid holes to go with the lockup input features. And these are some other 518 notes I have kept from other posts: Quote: A 2-wire connector trans has OD only, no lockup. A 3-wire trans (RH) has both lockup and OD. The 8-wire trans (RE) has an electronic governor and lockup converter. It is electronic and only used with EFI. '95 and earlier are designated RH and are hydraulically controlled except for the OD and converter. '96 and later are designated RE and are electronically controlled. The '95 and earlier is the best choice for retrofitting. 6430625-Input_shaft_lockup_crop.jpg (33 downloads)

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: 440Jim] #908990 01/21/11 01:47 PM 01/21/11 01:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC	Here is somthing I saved on my computer showing the various input shafts. Raff, Did your original A518 lockup input shaft have the smooth tip, and the replacement John Cope got for you look like the 727 shaft (splines to the tip)? 6430667-Input_shafts.jpg (38 downloads) 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: 440Jim] #908991 01/21/11 09:47 PM 01/21/11 09:47 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY OP Master
MR_P_BODY OP Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Here is somthing I saved on my computer showing the various input shafts. Raff, Did your original A518 lockup input shaft have the smooth tip, and the replacement John Cope got for you look like the 727 shaft (splines to the tip)? Jim I dont recall if it was smooth but it did had the hole in the center of the shaft... the one I got from Cope looks like the middle one but no groove at the front... come to think of it I WILL try my converter on this set up just to make sure it fits

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT [Re: CRT] #908992 01/21/11 09:51 PM 01/21/11 09:51 PM
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BeEtLeJuIcE ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,430 Florida STAYcation	Quote: Glad I can help ya with that hard to find part. HOW about a goose-neck PB shifter ?

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