Moparts

Thanks To John Cope.... CRT

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/20/11 02:50 AM

I needed a new input shaft and support for my 518 to
change it to a 727 input so I can run one of my race
converters in my Rampage. John asked if it was the
big or small mid shaft(front of the mid shaft)... well
it had the small front... of course its the harder
to find part .... well he came through for me... he
sent me a new input shaft that fits the small mid
shaft with a new pump and support.... Thanks John
now I have everything needed to make a go fast OD
trans without lock up for my drag week car
Posted By: sam64

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/20/11 03:50 AM

maybe some of us okies will get to meet you drag week in tulsa,they say its coming through here.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/20/11 04:12 AM

Quote:

maybe some of us okies will get to meet you drag week in tulsa,they say its coming through here.



So I hear... hopefully I can get mine done for it...
me and my buddy were talking price to head out there
with one or both rides and it looks like it would cost
us about $1300 each if we both register but less if
I ride shotgun again... I'm trying to get mine done
but still have a TON of work ahead of me
Posted By: plasticfantastic

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/20/11 04:31 AM

Quote:

Quote:

maybe some of us okies will get to meet you drag week in tulsa,they say its coming through here.



So I hear... hopefully I can get mine done for it...
me and my buddy were talking price to head out there
with one or both rides and it looks like it would cost
us about $1300 each if we both register but less if
I ride shotgun again... I'm trying to get mine done
but still have a TON of work ahead of me




get it done and have him ride shotgun!! Wish I was closer, be there helping/learning, on a side note I may have a pair of doors for you.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/20/11 04:36 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Quote:

maybe some of us okies will get to meet you drag week in tulsa,they say its coming through here.



So I hear... hopefully I can get mine done for it...
me and my buddy were talking price to head out there
with one or both rides and it looks like it would cost
us about $1300 each if we both register but less if
I ride shotgun again... I'm trying to get mine done
but still have a TON of work ahead of me




get it done and have him ride shotgun!! Wish I was closer, be there helping/learning, on a side note I may have a pair of doors for you.



I could use a drivers door if its nice... I should
have the front of the chassis tacked together by
Sunday... the back part is pretty easy... I got
everything for the engine, trans... still need to
buy my radiator and brakes... that should be it for
the big stuff
EDIT
I can use both door panels(interior).... Doug is
this from a L body(2 door Omni/Horizon) or a Rampage
I have a broken piece of trim that is Rampage only
Posted By: CRT

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/20/11 05:38 AM

Glad I can help ya with that hard to find part. See at the track P body Thanks for the biz
Posted By: plasticfantastic

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/20/11 05:48 AM

Quote:

I can use both door panels(interior).... Doug is
this from a L body(2 door Omni/Horizon) or a Rampage
I have a broken piece of trim that is Rampage only




its a rampage... Word I'm getting is the doors may be trashed, I'm going to look at it this weekend. what trim do you need?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/20/11 05:50 AM

Quote:

Quote:

I can use both door panels(interior).... Doug is
this from a L body(2 door Omni/Horizon) or a Rampage
I have a broken piece of trim that is Rampage only




its a rampage... Word I'm getting is the doors may be trashed, I'm going to look at it this weekend. what trim do you need?



Doug I might be interested in the whole thing
EDIT
the trim piece on the back edge of the drivers
door opening that goes to the back window
Posted By: MoparPitBull

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/20/11 06:10 PM

CRT
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/20/11 08:26 PM

Quote:

John asked if it was the
big or small mid shaft(front of the mid shaft)...

John is the trans man, good guy.

I have a A518, non-lockup, hydraulic (RH), and this may be in my future, so

What are the approximate dimensions that identify the "small" or "big" shaft?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/20/11 09:47 PM

Quote:

Quote:

John asked if it was the
big or small mid shaft(front of the mid shaft)...

John is the trans man, good guy.

I have a A518, non-lockup, hydraulic (RH), and this may be in my future, so

What are the approximate dimensions that identify the "small" or "big" shaft?



As John said to me... one is the size of a pencil
(518) and one is the size of a cigar(I think he said
cigar... might have said finger 727) right on the
end of the mid shaft..... looking at it Jim the
hole in the input is like 3/8"(this is what the
518 mid shaft goes into)
EDIT
Come to think of it Jim I dont think you need to
change the input being yours is a NON lock up...
I believe a 727 conv fits your input already...
you have what I was looking for(non lock up)
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/21/11 03:35 AM

Raff, thanks for the info.

I have one complete, and one parts (the main case was cracked in the junk yard).
This is the shaft in the parts transmission.
This one has the pencil sized, 0.345" dia, end for the thrust washer.

Tomorrow I will see if my 727 converter fits the input/pump/reaction support.

Attached picture 6429934-A518_nonlockup17.JPG
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/21/11 03:36 AM

And just for documentation, this is what that entire shaft looks like.

Attached picture 6429939-A518_nonlockup14_shaft.JPG
Posted By: StrkrDart69

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/21/11 04:02 AM

John is a great person to work with.
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/21/11 05:23 PM

Quote:

Tomorrow I will see if my 727 converter fits the input/pump/reaction support.

My A518 (non-lockup) pump/reaction support/input shaft slide right into a 727 converter.
The setup I have has 24 splines on the input shaft (and no lockup through hole). And the tip of the input shaft has splines all the way to the end (727 style).

I believe the lockup shafts have 23 splines on the input shaft and a machined smooth tip (pic attached). And as Raff mentioned, the lockup reaction support has different fluid holes to go with the lockup input features.

And these are some other 518 notes I have kept from other posts:
Quote:

A 2-wire connector trans has OD only, no lockup.

A 3-wire trans (RH) has both lockup and OD.

The 8-wire trans (RE) has an electronic governor and lockup converter. It is electronic and only used with EFI.

'95 and earlier are designated RH and are hydraulically controlled except for the OD and converter. '96 and later are designated RE and are electronically controlled. The '95 and earlier is the best choice for retrofitting.



Attached picture 6430625-Input_shaft_lockup_crop.jpg
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/21/11 05:47 PM

Here is somthing I saved on my computer showing the various input shafts.

Raff,
Did your original A518 lockup input shaft have the smooth tip, and the replacement John Cope got for you look like the 727 shaft (splines to the tip)?

Attached picture 6430667-Input_shafts.jpg
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/22/11 01:47 AM

Quote:

Here is somthing I saved on my computer showing the various input shafts.

Raff,
Did your original A518 lockup input shaft have the smooth tip, and the replacement John Cope got for you look like the 727 shaft (splines to the tip)?



Jim I dont recall if it was smooth but it did had the
hole in the center of the shaft... the one I got
from Cope looks like the middle one but no groove
at the front... come to think of it I WILL try my
converter on this set up just to make sure it fits
Posted By: dOoC

Re: Thanks To John Cope.... CRT - 01/22/11 01:51 AM

Quote:

Glad I can help ya with that hard to find part.





HOW about a goose-neck PB shifter ?
© 2024 Moparts Forums