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GONNA try building a smallblock ,so.... #90561
07/19/08 12:12 AM
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after years of big blocks i'm gonna try to build a small block.
i was wondering what your guys formulas for a 12 second non-stroker non-magnum headed 360 would be.
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KB107's
Stock rods
OOTB ede's 60779's
XE268H, XE274H, XE275HL or a voodoo60401-60403
Air Gap, RPM or LD340
Holley 750-850 carb
Decent ignition

That would go real low 12's in a well thought out vertor/gear/suspension car.

Nice thing, no crazy parts required.

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KB107's, Crower 271 HDP cam, 271.284 485495 lift, Stock heads milled to 60 CC's no porting neccessary, Headers, 750. Stock bottom end, needs gear and tires to go with the combo.

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Re: GONNA try building a smallblock ,so.... [Re: MoparforLife] #90564
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no crazy parts for sure. suits me just fine. so.. are you the only two guys who ran 12's
with a non-stroker 360 on this whole board?

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sure there is alot more 12 second stock stroke 360 running around...or maybe there are all down in the 11 second bracket...


anyway...had 69 dart back in 80s

stock flattops, good valve job on J heads, mopar 284/484 cam...holley strip dominator intake, holley 750 dp..hooker 1 3/4 headers.

turbo action 3800 series converter with 4.56 gears and 9 x 28 tires...

ran low 12s in Vegas,,,hit 12.00 @ 110.00 in bakersfield back in 1986.

So 12s are pretty easly with an A body 360...

just make sure you get a good converter with gearing.


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How about a 272/.454 cam running low 12's?Junk factory heads,stock shortblock(kb107 pistons),11" converter,3.91 gears. It doesn't take much effort to get there but if you get to much internet expert info it can make it harder than he11. "Knowsnothing" is one of the few that seems to get it.

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then 12's is np for them then. anyways, already gotta 4000 stall and 4.30s in a modded
e-body 8.75 suregrip diff, modded super stock springs . all going into
a 1980 F-Body btw.

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no crazy parts for sure. suits me just fine. so.. are you the only two guys who ran 12's
with a non-stroker 360 on this whole board?



KB107
Comp XE268H
LD340
Stock Heads
Holley 750 DP
Dougs Headers
MSD Ignition

8 3/4 3.23s
and 2500 tc
904 low gear set

good for high 12's in my demon.

car weighs 3375 with me in it

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4.30s and alot more stall you'd prolly be low low 12s.

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4.30s and alot more stall you'd prolly be low low 12s.


Don't really need a lot of stall with a 360 I have been running up till 2 years ago with a 3000 stall GER and now running a 3500 Continental. Car in sig.


Clean it, if it's Dirty. Oil it, if it Squeaks. But: Don't fix it, if it Works!
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12's with a 3.23 gears and small block is a little optomisitic.

i broke into the 14.9's with a 323". 188/160 318 heads. performance cam. 770 holley , single plane intake, low gears , 4 speed...sig

unless you add gear, then stroke it, or 3800 stall it. you wont get there.

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4.30s and alot more stall you'd prolly be low low 12s.


Don't really need a lot of stall with a 360 I have been running up till 2 years ago with a 3000 stall GER and now running a 3500 Continental. Car in sig.




what cylinder heads are you runnin on that bad boy?

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12's with a 3.23 gears and small block is a little optomisitic.

i broke into the 14.9's with a 323". 188/160 318 heads. performance cam. 770 holley , single plane intake, low gears , 4 speed...sig

unless you add gear, then stroke it, or 3800 stall it. you wont get there.



I run 14.1-14.2s right now with a 2.76 7 1/4 while smoking the tires thru all of first gear. And I mean smoking... Looks like a burnout.. I get the feeling that 3.23s will get me 12.8-12.9s and have in fact been told multiple times on this board that it will


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4.30s and alot more stall you'd prolly be low low 12s.


Don't really need a lot of stall with a 360 I have been running up till 2 years ago with a 3000 stall GER and now running a 3500 Continental. Car in sig.




what cylinder heads are you runnin on that bad boy?


Up until 3 or 4 seasons ago (old age settin in) I was running with unported, ungasket matched, 1.88 vale 587 heads with 60 cc's. I ran consistant mid 11.70's with a best of 11.71. I made a switch to unported, unmatched 2.02 valve heads, after being told numerous times that it would not help and could possibly hinder unless I was running in the upper (above 6k) range). I did make sure to cut the heads to have the same cc's for apples to apples comparison. what did I gain??? Absolutely nothing. Using HD stamped rockers. I was able to pick up a new set of 1.6 roller rockers (Crane) so I went to work and installed them and ran them for about a season. What was the gain? A best of 11.69. I sold them before I had trouble with them and nearly broke even and still have the push rods. Well bout mid season i dropped a valve spring donut and anialated my head. As I had already planed a Hughes cam I ordered a set of stage 1 heads and that is what I'm running now. With a best of 11.39
Stock bottom end with a 10/10 shaft and wrist pins honed (unbushed) to run floating KB107's. The rods came from various engines some of which had been in a circle burner.
It is running on a LD340 intake with no port matching with a Chuck Nuytten 750 Holley. 4.30 gear, 29.5X10.5X15 M/T slicks. The only balancing it has had done is hanging on the cherry picker.
Now you know the rest of the story.

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... The only balancing it has had done is hanging on the cherry picker.





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thats flyin' brother

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4.30s and alot more stall you'd prolly be low low 12s.


Don't really need a lot of stall with a 360 I have been running up till 2 years ago with a 3000 stall GER and now running a 3500 Continental. Car in sig.




what cylinder heads are you runnin on that bad boy?


Up until 3 or 4 seasons ago (old age settin in) I was running with unported, ungasket matched, 1.88 vale 587 heads with 60 cc's. I ran consistant mid 11.70's with a best of 11.71. I made a switch to unported, unmatched 2.02 valve heads, after being told numerous times that it would not help and could possibly hinder unless I was running in the upper (above 6k) range). I did make sure to cut the heads to have the same cc's for apples to apples comparison. what did I gain??? Absolutely nothing. Using HD stamped rockers. I was able to pick up a new set of 1.6 roller rockers (Crane) so I went to work and installed them and ran them for about a season. What was the gain? A best of 11.69. I sold them before I had trouble with them and nearly broke even and still have the push rods. Well bout mid season i dropped a valve spring donut and anialated my head. As I had already planed a Hughes cam I ordered a set of stage 1 heads and that is what I'm running now. With a best of 11.39
Stock bottom end with a 10/10 shaft and wrist pins honed (unbushed) to run floating KB107's. The rods came from various engines some of which had been in a circle burner.
It is running on a LD340 intake with no port matching with a Chuck Nuytten 750 Holley. 4.30 gear, 29.5X10.5X15 M/T slicks. The only balancing it has had done is hanging on the cherry picker.
Now you know the rest of the story.




Man that is flying for that setup.

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good tips looks like its a cakewalk to get 12's from a 360.
which is good.. cause i bought my friends 74 360-4bbl/4-speed today.

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12's with a 3.23 gears and small block is a little optomisitic.

unless you add gear, then stroke it, or 3800 stall it. you wont get there.




And you would be WRONG!

Not the first time around here.

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good tips looks like its a cakewalk to get 12's from a 360.
which is good.. cause i bought my friends 74 360-4bbl/4-speed today.



Hard to go wrong with it. Good luck and let us know what you decide to do.

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12's with a 3.23 gears and small block is a little optomisitic.

unless you add gear, then stroke it, or 3800 stall it. you wont get there.




And you would be WRONG!

Not the first time around here.



or the last. but when it comes from mark7171.. that dude is hard to get a read on.

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Hard to go wrong with it. Good luck and let us know what you decide to do.



called another buddy of mine and he has a set of W2's for sale.

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