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no crazy parts for sure. suits me just fine. so.. are you the only two guys who ran 12's
with a non-stroker 360 on this whole board?

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4.30s and alot more stall you'd prolly be low low 12s.

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Don't really need a lot of stall with a 360 I have been running up till 2 years ago with a 3000 stall GER and now running a 3500 Continental. Car in sig.

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4.30s and alot more stall you'd prolly be low low 12s.

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Don't really need a lot of stall with a 360 I have been running up till 2 years ago with a 3000 stall GER and now running a 3500 Continental. Car in sig.

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12's with a 3.23 gears and small block is a little optomisitic.

i broke into the 14.9's with a 323". 188/160 318 heads. performance cam. 770 holley , single plane intake, low gears , 4 speed...sig

unless you add gear, then stroke it, or 3800 stall it. you wont get there.

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I run 14.1-14.2s right now with a 2.76 7 1/4 while smoking the tires thru all of first gear. And I mean smoking... Looks like a burnout.. I get the feeling that 3.23s will get me 12.8-12.9s and have in fact been told multiple times on this board that it will

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4.30s and alot more stall you'd prolly be low low 12s.

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Don't really need a lot of stall with a 360 I have been running up till 2 years ago with a 3000 stall GER and now running a 3500 Continental. Car in sig.

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what cylinder heads are you runnin on that bad boy?

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... The only balancing it has had done is hanging on the cherry picker.

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4.30s and alot more stall you'd prolly be low low 12s.

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Don't really need a lot of stall with a 360 I have been running up till 2 years ago with a 3000 stall GER and now running a 3500 Continental. Car in sig.

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what cylinder heads are you runnin on that bad boy?

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Up until 3 or 4 seasons ago (old age settin in) I was running with unported, ungasket matched, 1.88 vale 587 heads with 60 cc's. I ran consistant mid 11.70's with a best of 11.71. I made a switch to unported, unmatched 2.02 valve heads, after being told numerous times that it would not help and could possibly hinder unless I was running in the upper (above 6k) range). I did make sure to cut the heads to have the same cc's for apples to apples comparison. what did I gain??? Absolutely nothing. Using HD stamped rockers. I was able to pick up a new set of 1.6 roller rockers (Crane) so I went to work and installed them and ran them for about a season. What was the gain? A best of 11.69. I sold them before I had trouble with them and nearly broke even and still have the push rods. Well bout mid season i dropped a valve spring donut and anialated my head. As I had already planed a Hughes cam I ordered a set of stage 1 heads and that is what I'm running now. With a best of 11.39
Stock bottom end with a 10/10 shaft and wrist pins honed (unbushed) to run floating KB107's. The rods came from various engines some of which had been in a circle burner.
It is running on a LD340 intake with no port matching with a Chuck Nuytten 750 Holley. 4.30 gear, 29.5X10.5X15 M/T slicks. The only balancing it has had done is hanging on the cherry picker.
Now you know the rest of the story.

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12's with a 3.23 gears and small block is a little optomisitic.

unless you add gear, then stroke it, or 3800 stall it. you wont get there.

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good tips looks like its a cakewalk to get 12's from a 360.
which is good.. cause i bought my friends 74 360-4bbl/4-speed today.

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12's with a 3.23 gears and small block is a little optomisitic.

unless you add gear, then stroke it, or 3800 stall it. you wont get there.

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And you would be WRONG!

Not the first time around here.

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or the last. but when it comes from mark7171.. that dude is hard to get a read on.

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Hard to go wrong with it. Good luck and let us know what you decide to do.

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called another buddy of mine and he has a set of W2's for sale.

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12's with a 3.23 gears and small block is a little optomisitic.

i broke into the 14.9's with a 323". 188/160 318 heads. performance cam. 770 holley , single plane intake, low gears , 4 speed...sig

unless you add gear, then stroke it, or 3800 stall it. you wont get there.

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12's with a 3.23 gears and small block is a little optomisitic.

unless you add gear, then stroke it, or 3800 stall it. you wont get there.

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And you would be WRONG!

Not the first time around here.

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or the last. but when it comes from mark7171.. that dude is hard to get a read on.

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Hard to go wrong with it. Good luck and let us know what you decide to do.

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called another buddy of mine and he has a set of W2's for sale.

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Trust me. My demon has a 360 that makes a little more than 300 at the rear wheels. My 3.23s paired with tires that are 25" tall turn into 3.73-3.91s. In a car weighing 3375 and low gear set, it will run high 12's

On the other post, do you mind me inquiring how much he wants?

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he wants to swap for a OD 4-speed trans i have. so i guess whatever
those trannys are worth

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How good are the heads. If their in good shape I would swap. You would have no problem making 400+ hp with W-2. Unless you plan on using the tranny. Then you could probably settle for a set of OOTB Eddies

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dunno, gotta go checkem out. i was never a fan mopar OD's.. so
its no big deal to me if it goes. shoot me a PM tomorow, i'll letcha know.

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if it were me, I'd find a core magnum 360 to build.

KB107's at 0 deck,
go through the heads and port per steve dulcich's article from mopar muscle in 2005
MP springs good to .6" lift, or if the heads need new valves or have loose guides, run chev 11/32 stem valves .1" longer than stock (hone out stock 8mm guides to size)
stock rods w/good bolts
eddie air gap
reuse roller lifters, look for a roller cam with ~224@050 duration-I kinda like the comp XR series retrofit rollers
if using the comp cam (lots o lobe lift) I'd use some 1.5 ratio roller rockers

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why'd I recommend them? my biggest reason, to get reasonable lift w/the cam suggested (comp XR274 retrofit roller), which is ~.540" valve lift with 1.5" rockers. it's a very aggressive ramp roller cam (it's ~274 adv. duration, 224 .050 duration, and like I said, ~.540 lift w/1.5 rockers), and using the stock 1.6 ratio magnum rockers would increase lift to .576" lift on that short duration. I'd be afraid of valvtrain harmonics and the hydraulic lifter not being able to keep up with that much lift for that short of a duration cam, which would limit RPM to under 5000 or so.

Steve Dulcich had a similar problem running a comp XE275HL with 1.6's--it was just too aggressive for the hydraulic lifter to keep up.

those MP springs I recommended have 131lbs on the seat installed at 1.625" and 305lbs at .5" lift, so they're relatively beefy.

another issue would be to reduce lift, since it's hard to get a lot of installed height on stock mag heads w/stock valves.

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why'd I recommend them? my biggest reason, to get reasonable lift w/the cam suggested (comp XR274 retrofit roller), which is ~.540" valve lift with 1.5" rockers. it's a very aggressive ramp roller cam (it's ~274 adv. duration, 224 .050 duration, and like I said, ~.540 lift w/1.5 rockers), and using the stock 1.6 ratio magnum rockers would increase lift to .576" lift on that short duration. I'd be afraid of valvtrain harmonics and the hydraulic lifter not being able to keep up with that much lift for that short of a duration cam, which would limit RPM to under 5000 or so.

Steve Dulcich had a similar problem running a comp XE275HL with 1.6's--it was just too aggressive for the hydraulic lifter to keep up.

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