Re: Will this gear be right for me?
[Re: bigsbigelow]
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4.30's or 4.56's will work, what engine, what cam type (it makes a difference), what transmission?
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Re: Will this gear be right for me?
[Re: Slingshot383]
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01/06/11 02:12 PM
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It is a 340 with a Comp Cams Xtreme Energy XS282S (.520 / .540 lift and 244 / 252 duration at .050) and 10.5:1 compression. The trans is a 727 with stock gears and a 9.5" PTC 3500 rpm converter. I do a lot of street driving with the car as well.
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Re: Will this gear be right for me?
[Re: Get-X]
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when i ran my 340 last yr i had 28/10.5 slicks and 4.57 gears and would turn 62/6300 in the 1/8 mile so i think 4.30 would be better in your case jmop mike
I agree that the 4.30 is the best gear at the track, but they aren't great for street use. If the car is mostly a drag racer and only occasionly sees the street, than the 4.30 would be perfect. If it's mostly a street car that goes to the track once or twice a year use the 4.10 IMO.
I guess I should mention that I can tolerate losing some "street-ability" for a faster car. There is a group of tuner guys that I am friends with. I want to be able to inch them out at the track with an all motor combo. 12 flat is the fastest car in the group. I think i can reach that with the correct gear.
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Re: Will this gear be right for me?
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Not to be Debbie Downer, but you'll need to find more hp to go 12.0 or faster, the 107 mph indicates not enough hp.
Be sure to check with guys running a spool on the street, as some don't like it.
You don't think so? That 107 mph was at 5800 rpm. That is why I want a gear change. Shoot, I shift higher than I trap. I have also driven a couple cars with a spool. I can definitely notice the difference but it doesn't bother me.
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Re: Will this gear be right for me?
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If your stall speed is really only 3500,I think a looser convertor (4500ish} would pick up more than any gear change.
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Re: Will this gear be right for me?
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01/08/11 04:04 PM
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Not to be Debbie Downer, but you'll need to find more hp to go 12.0 or faster, the 107 mph indicates not enough hp.
Be sure to check with guys running a spool on the street, as some don't like it.
You don't think so? That 107 mph was at 5800 rpm. That is why I want a gear change. Shoot, I shift higher than I trap. I have also driven a couple cars with a spool. I can definitely notice the difference but it doesn't bother me.
No, I don't think so. We've done this a few times and when nothing else is changed, and you adjust appropriately for atmospheric conditions, it might be 1 mph. And if you go with the gear that gives you the very best et, you might be down a little in mph. Going to a spool might few up a few ponies - I don't know.
Try it and report back. It's always good to have data from well controlled test conditions. It will be quicker. And if I'm mistaken, I'd like to know that too.
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Re: Will this gear be right for me?
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Loc: Ohio Re: Will this gear be right for me? [Re: bigsbigelow] #6401288 - Thu Jan 06 2011 02:51 PM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply Last year we ran a 340 Duster with 28" tall slicks & a 4:56 gear. Had a best 60' @ 1.68, 1/8 mile 7.71 @ 90.98 mph, 1/4 mile was a 12.19 @ 109. Shifted @ 6200 & crossed the line @ 6500 rpm. It's mostly a stock short block with stock iron heads. I'm thinking we've still got about another .3 in the 1/4 left on the table. my 340 was a little more then stock about 11.1 comp. and 520/540 soild cam mild heads but ran a best of 7.44 at 89.9 with a 1.67 60' which was not the best 60' i think it had more in it with some frontend workand a new set of slicks ( check holes was gone on the set i had) but ill never know i sold the short block...your mph is better with about the same 60' so hard to say...but i think the 4/30 is a preety good gear as well. mike
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Re: Will this gear be right for me?
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01/10/11 01:56 PM
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Ryan..you don't need a spool! I've never ran one with my 440 GTX,and you know how that runs at the track..and on the street! My friend Bill,who owns Warren Gear and Axle,set mine up about 3 yrs. ago..still in one piece! And I don't BABY my drivetrains! My carrier is an old style from the early 60's with a clutch-plate type set-up. LOVE it! I run a 4:56 Richmond gear with 30" tall slicks..and street tires. My engine makes peak power at 6,000 rpm..through 1/4 traps at 6500-6600rpm..right where I want to be, 10% over peak! I think if you run a 27" tall tire,a 4:30 might be a little steep for the street! I've got a "spare" 489 case 4:10 gear,also set up by Bill,sitting in my pole barn..but I need to hang onto it..JUST IN CASE! If I were you,I'd give Bill a call..just don't mention my name..he might charge ya' double! ...J/K! He's a GREAT guy..and knows what the heck he's doing! My GTX is proof of that! Best of Luck on whatever you decide! Let me know what that is! Thanks! Randy
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Re: Will this gear be right for me?
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Ryan..you don't need a spool! I've never ran one with my 440 GTX,and you know how that runs at the track..and on the street! My friend Bill,who owns Warren Gear and Axle,set mine up about 3 yrs. ago..still in one piece! And I don't BABY my drivetrains! My carrier is an old style from the early 60's with a clutch-plate type set-up. LOVE it! I run a 4:56 Richmond gear with 30" tall slicks..and street tires. My engine makes peak power at 6,000 rpm..through 1/4 traps at 6500-6600rpm..right where I want to be, 10% over peak! I think if you run a 27" tall tire,a 4:30 might be a little steep for the street! I've got a "spare" 489 case 4:10 gear,also set up by Bill,sitting in my pole barn..but I need to hang onto it..JUST IN CASE! If I were you,I'd give Bill a call..just don't mention my name..he might charge ya' double! ...J/K! He's a GREAT guy..and knows what the heck he's doing! My GTX is proof of that! Best of Luck on whatever you decide! Let me know what that is! Thanks! Randy
Thanks much for the info Randy. Looks like I will be making a phone call.
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Re: Will this gear be right for me?
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Ryan..you don't need a spool! I've never ran one with my 440 GTX,and you know how that runs at the track..and on the street! My friend Bill,who owns Warren Gear and Axle,set mine up about 3 yrs. ago..still in one piece! And I don't BABY my drivetrains! My carrier is an old style from the early 60's with a clutch-plate type set-up. LOVE it! I run a 4:56 Richmond gear with 30" tall slicks..and street tires. My engine makes peak power at 6,000 rpm..through 1/4 traps at 6500-6600rpm..right where I want to be, 10% over peak! I think if you run a 27" tall tire,a 4:30 might be a little steep for the street! I've got a "spare" 489 case 4:10 gear,also set up by Bill,sitting in my pole barn..but I need to hang onto it..JUST IN CASE! If I were you,I'd give Bill a call..just don't mention my name..he might charge ya' double! ...J/K! He's a GREAT guy..and knows what the heck he's doing! My GTX is proof of that! Best of Luck on whatever you decide! Let me know what that is! Thanks! Randy
Wow, it really is a small world. Bill is a friend of mine as well. Went with Bill, Derick (goes by Dericks here)to the St.Ignace meet. Derick drove his Duster and I drove the GTX there, no trailers
Anyway, Bill's a good guy and does good work. He's set up LOTS of rears in his day and will treat you right.
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Re: Will this gear be right for me?
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Marc..that is a coincidence! Bill grew up the next street over from me,in Warren! We use to do a little "street racing" together..back in the early-late 70's! Like I stated,Bill puts rears together to last! In fact,he told me,with the way I drove the X...my 4:56 wouldn't last but 1 or 2 times to the track! Still proving him wrong! His assumption was based on the pinion design,and old-style case! I make a point to tell him the rear end's STILL in one piece,every time I see,or talk to him! Ryan..call him,you won't be sorry!
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Re: Will this gear be right for me?
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Marc..that is a coincidence! Bill grew up the next street over from me,in Warren! We use to do a little "street racing" together..back in the early-late 70's! Like I stated,Bill puts rears together to last! In fact,he told me,with the way I drove the X...my 4:56 wouldn't last but 1 or 2 times to the track! Still proving him wrong! His assumption was based on the pinion design,and old-style case! I make a point to tell him the rear end's STILL in one piece,every time I see,or talk to him! Ryan..call him,you won't be sorry!
I gave him a call on my lunch break. I am very pleased with the quote he gave me. He will be rebuilding my center section soon.
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