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NSS cross ram carbs #886710
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Who builds good eddy or carter race carburetors for cross ram engines
Any input or commits are appreciated

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886711
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well i can't afford them, but i think that these are some of the best out there.
http://www.diamondbackengines.com/

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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886712
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old super stock -max wedge racer i think he is in flordia DAN DVORAK PHONE NUMBER ?

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: junkyardmaxie] #886713
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old super stock -max wedge racer i think he is in flordia DAN DVORAK PHONE NUMBER ?


Dan Dvorak of Dvorak Machine in Waldo Florida. How many years did Dan hold the a/stock automatic record with a cross ram max wedge? 10 ?

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: THE GLASS MAN] #886714
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Thanks for the input My Holley’s were built by Ken Jones and they work great but unfortunately NSS doesn’t allow them. I was hoping I could run a few events for fun with my holleys to test the waters of the NSS world but I don’t know if they would let me run them. Any thoughts

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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886715
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you can run holleys on a hemi ,but not on a wedge motor. they were never offered from the factory on 426 max wedge. 62-63-64. so nss probably wont let you run them

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I've been told my car will slow down .2 - .3 going to eddy's. Do you think that is true I'm currently in the high 10's

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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886717
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I've been told my car will slow down .2 - .3 going to eddy's. Do you think that is true I'm currently in the high 10's





NOT TRUE AT ALL!

Re: NSS cross ram carbs #886718
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val headworth used to be good.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ro23car] #886719
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Holleys are a definite no for NSS unless you run 9.25 or quicker. Damon at Diamondback builds excellent carbs.

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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: poppaj] #886720
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Holleys are a definite no for NSS unless you run 9.25 or quicker. Damon at Diamondback builds excellent carbs.





Really???? I did not know that. So why would the Holleys be allowed if you run a faster time? Does not make sense to me


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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: max_maniac] #886721
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Because it then falls into the afx rule. I have never seen holleys make any more power when on a factory cross ram. You are limited to the power potential of the intake. I have modified edelbrocks for the crossram or original carbs in stock. Jake


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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: JAKE68] #886722
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Because it then falls into the afx rule. I have never seen holleys make any more power when on a factory cross ram. You are limited to the power potential of the intake. I have modified edelbrocks for the crossram or original carbs in stock. Jake


good man right here merry christmas jake.

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I thought you could run holleys 9.75 and quicker and a cast tunnel ram if it fit under the required 5" hood scoop. I looked at a tunnel ram but there is no way it would fit under my hood.

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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ro23car] #886724
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Because it then falls into the afx rule. I have never seen holleys make any more power when on a factory cross ram. You are limited to the power potential of the intake. I have modified edelbrocks for the crossram or original carbs in stock. Jake


good man right here merry christmas jake.



Merry christmas Bill. Hope everything is getting better. Jake


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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: JAKE68] #886725
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Because it then falls into the afx rule. I have never seen holleys make any more power when on a factory cross ram. You are limited to the power potential of the intake. I have modified edelbrocks for the crossram or original carbs in stock. Jake




Could you get more HP using holleys with the Indy inline cross ram I know the manifold adds more but how about the carbs


Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886726
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Because it then falls into the afx rule. I have never seen holleys make any more power when on a factory cross ram. You are limited to the power potential of the intake. I have modified edelbrocks for the crossram or original carbs in stock. Jake




Could you get more HP using holleys with the Indy inline cross ram I know the manifold adds more but how about the carbs
We dynoed 1000cfm pro systems holleys to 800 cfm edeys and found the edeys made 6 less hp to the rear tires,but the car went 1.5 faster with the eddeys????????Depending on your combo we have seen 60-100+hp with indy over stock xram.






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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886727
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The Nostalgia Super Stock National Association and National Muscle Car Association uses these rules -

1.19 CARBURETOR
CARBURETOR (NSS CLASSES): All entries in the eliminator must be carbureted as outlined below. Carburetors must be of type and design as originally produced for a specific vehicle. Positioning of carburetors from factory mounting not a tech item (carburetors may be positioned facing forwards, backwards, or side mounted). Choke plate, choke shaft, choke linkage, and choke mechanism may be removed; choke horn removal permitted. The following carburetor combinations are allowed, regardless of year/make/model of entry:



•Buick 400-455; Single Carter, AFB, Edelbrock Performer or Q-Jet, inline 2x4 with Carters, AFBs or Edelbrock Performers.
Chevy 396,454 (F/X only): single 4 bbl with Carter AFB, Edelbrock Performer or Rochester.
•Chevy 348-409; Inline 2x4, inline 3x2 with Rochesters or single 4bbl with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers or Rochesters.
•Chevy 396-454; Single 4bbl with Rochester, Carter,AFB, Edelbrock Performers or Holley, Inline 2x4 with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers or Holleys, Inline 3x2 Holleys.
•Chrysler Hemi; Inline 2x4 or single 4bbl intake with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers, Holleys; or cross-ram 2x4 intake with Holleys.
•Chrysler Wedge; Inline or cross-ram 2x4 or single 4bbl intake with Carters, AFBs, or Edelbrock Performers.
•Ford; Inline 2x4 intakes, inline 3x2, or single 4bbl with Holleys.
•Pontiac; Inline 2x4 intakes or single 4bbl with Carters, AFBs, or Edelbrock Performers; or inline 3x2 with Rochesters.
•AMX 390— Single Carter AFB or Edelbrock Performer, Cross ram 2x4 bbl intakes with Holleys.

•Olds 400-455; 1x4 Q-Jet, inline with 3x2 Rochesters.
CARBURETOR (F/X CLASSES): Vehicles in these classes permitted the use of carburetors listed for NSS, or Holley up to 850 cfm in size (no Dominators). Aerosol carburetor(s) prohibited.

Multiple Carburetion Preferred

Racers with current legal National Muscle Car Association and Monster Mopar Dave Duell Classic single 4-bbl carburetor/intake manifold/vehicle combinations are encouraged to change to multiple carburetion. Racers with combinations currently under construction are also encouraged to use multiple carburetion.


1.20 FUEL INJECTION
FUEL INJECTION: Era-correct mechanical fuel injection permitted in F/X classes only.

1.21 INTAKE MANIFOLD
INTAKE MANIFOLD: In general, common commercial market cast units are preferred and required if available. Sheet metal units allowed only in AAA, AA and A/FX classes and only after inspection by the rules committee. Top of manifold lid may be modified and fabricated as necessary to accommodate carburetor placement.
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In general, there is no technical reason why a race car equipped with Holley carbs should necessarily be faster than one with Carter/Edelbrocks given identical engine/chassis/weight and so on.

Currently, there are some legal NSS cars with Indy intakes and Edelbrock carbs running in the 8's. In addition, there are many Indy/Carter or Edelbrock combinations which run in the 9's.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: StillRock69] #886728
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What class could I run if I wanted to keep my holleys

They work good on the street and I find them easy to work on plus they are paid for


Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886729
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•Chrysler Hemi; Inline 2x4 or single 4bbl intake with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers, Holleys; or cross-ram 2x4 intake with Holleys.





I find it interesting that even though the very first Cross Ram equipped Hemis came from the factory with dual Carter AFBs, NSS does not allow them on a Cross Ram Hemi?


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