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NSS cross ram carbs #886710
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Who builds good eddy or carter race carburetors for cross ram engines
Any input or commits are appreciated

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well i can't afford them, but i think that these are some of the best out there.
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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886712
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old super stock -max wedge racer i think he is in flordia DAN DVORAK PHONE NUMBER ?

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old super stock -max wedge racer i think he is in flordia DAN DVORAK PHONE NUMBER ?


Dan Dvorak of Dvorak Machine in Waldo Florida. How many years did Dan hold the a/stock automatic record with a cross ram max wedge? 10 ?

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: THE GLASS MAN] #886714
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Thanks for the input My Holley’s were built by Ken Jones and they work great but unfortunately NSS doesn’t allow them. I was hoping I could run a few events for fun with my holleys to test the waters of the NSS world but I don’t know if they would let me run them. Any thoughts

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you can run holleys on a hemi ,but not on a wedge motor. they were never offered from the factory on 426 max wedge. 62-63-64. so nss probably wont let you run them

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I've been told my car will slow down .2 - .3 going to eddy's. Do you think that is true I'm currently in the high 10's

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I've been told my car will slow down .2 - .3 going to eddy's. Do you think that is true I'm currently in the high 10's





NOT TRUE AT ALL!

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Holleys are a definite no for NSS unless you run 9.25 or quicker. Damon at Diamondback builds excellent carbs.

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Holleys are a definite no for NSS unless you run 9.25 or quicker. Damon at Diamondback builds excellent carbs.





Really???? I did not know that. So why would the Holleys be allowed if you run a faster time? Does not make sense to me


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Because it then falls into the afx rule. I have never seen holleys make any more power when on a factory cross ram. You are limited to the power potential of the intake. I have modified edelbrocks for the crossram or original carbs in stock. Jake


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Because it then falls into the afx rule. I have never seen holleys make any more power when on a factory cross ram. You are limited to the power potential of the intake. I have modified edelbrocks for the crossram or original carbs in stock. Jake


good man right here merry christmas jake.

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I thought you could run holleys 9.75 and quicker and a cast tunnel ram if it fit under the required 5" hood scoop. I looked at a tunnel ram but there is no way it would fit under my hood.

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Because it then falls into the afx rule. I have never seen holleys make any more power when on a factory cross ram. You are limited to the power potential of the intake. I have modified edelbrocks for the crossram or original carbs in stock. Jake


good man right here merry christmas jake.



Merry christmas Bill. Hope everything is getting better. Jake


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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: JAKE68] #886725
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Because it then falls into the afx rule. I have never seen holleys make any more power when on a factory cross ram. You are limited to the power potential of the intake. I have modified edelbrocks for the crossram or original carbs in stock. Jake




Could you get more HP using holleys with the Indy inline cross ram I know the manifold adds more but how about the carbs


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Because it then falls into the afx rule. I have never seen holleys make any more power when on a factory cross ram. You are limited to the power potential of the intake. I have modified edelbrocks for the crossram or original carbs in stock. Jake




Could you get more HP using holleys with the Indy inline cross ram I know the manifold adds more but how about the carbs
We dynoed 1000cfm pro systems holleys to 800 cfm edeys and found the edeys made 6 less hp to the rear tires,but the car went 1.5 faster with the eddeys????????Depending on your combo we have seen 60-100+hp with indy over stock xram.






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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886727
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1.19 CARBURETOR
CARBURETOR (NSS CLASSES): All entries in the eliminator must be carbureted as outlined below. Carburetors must be of type and design as originally produced for a specific vehicle. Positioning of carburetors from factory mounting not a tech item (carburetors may be positioned facing forwards, backwards, or side mounted). Choke plate, choke shaft, choke linkage, and choke mechanism may be removed; choke horn removal permitted. The following carburetor combinations are allowed, regardless of year/make/model of entry:



•Buick 400-455; Single Carter, AFB, Edelbrock Performer or Q-Jet, inline 2x4 with Carters, AFBs or Edelbrock Performers.
Chevy 396,454 (F/X only): single 4 bbl with Carter AFB, Edelbrock Performer or Rochester.
•Chevy 348-409; Inline 2x4, inline 3x2 with Rochesters or single 4bbl with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers or Rochesters.
•Chevy 396-454; Single 4bbl with Rochester, Carter,AFB, Edelbrock Performers or Holley, Inline 2x4 with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers or Holleys, Inline 3x2 Holleys.
•Chrysler Hemi; Inline 2x4 or single 4bbl intake with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers, Holleys; or cross-ram 2x4 intake with Holleys.
•Chrysler Wedge; Inline or cross-ram 2x4 or single 4bbl intake with Carters, AFBs, or Edelbrock Performers.
•Ford; Inline 2x4 intakes, inline 3x2, or single 4bbl with Holleys.
•Pontiac; Inline 2x4 intakes or single 4bbl with Carters, AFBs, or Edelbrock Performers; or inline 3x2 with Rochesters.
•AMX 390— Single Carter AFB or Edelbrock Performer, Cross ram 2x4 bbl intakes with Holleys.

•Olds 400-455; 1x4 Q-Jet, inline with 3x2 Rochesters.
CARBURETOR (F/X CLASSES): Vehicles in these classes permitted the use of carburetors listed for NSS, or Holley up to 850 cfm in size (no Dominators). Aerosol carburetor(s) prohibited.

Multiple Carburetion Preferred

Racers with current legal National Muscle Car Association and Monster Mopar Dave Duell Classic single 4-bbl carburetor/intake manifold/vehicle combinations are encouraged to change to multiple carburetion. Racers with combinations currently under construction are also encouraged to use multiple carburetion.


1.20 FUEL INJECTION
FUEL INJECTION: Era-correct mechanical fuel injection permitted in F/X classes only.

1.21 INTAKE MANIFOLD
INTAKE MANIFOLD: In general, common commercial market cast units are preferred and required if available. Sheet metal units allowed only in AAA, AA and A/FX classes and only after inspection by the rules committee. Top of manifold lid may be modified and fabricated as necessary to accommodate carburetor placement.
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In general, there is no technical reason why a race car equipped with Holley carbs should necessarily be faster than one with Carter/Edelbrocks given identical engine/chassis/weight and so on.

Currently, there are some legal NSS cars with Indy intakes and Edelbrock carbs running in the 8's. In addition, there are many Indy/Carter or Edelbrock combinations which run in the 9's.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: StillRock69] #886728
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What class could I run if I wanted to keep my holleys

They work good on the street and I find them easy to work on plus they are paid for


Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886729
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•Chrysler Hemi; Inline 2x4 or single 4bbl intake with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers, Holleys; or cross-ram 2x4 intake with Holleys.





I find it interesting that even though the very first Cross Ram equipped Hemis came from the factory with dual Carter AFBs, NSS does not allow them on a Cross Ram Hemi?


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They need to "lighten" up a bit on the NSS rules for carbs,,, ( im sure i'll get flamed for that )

I did buy some edelbrocks,,,that have been "tweaked" ,,, that will go on a new 540-572 someday,,,but until then,,,it's PRO class city with my "fast" holley...that the guy in the stands cant even see under my hood .. lol

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They need to "lighten" up a bit on the NSS rules for carbs,,, ( im sure i'll get flamed for that )

I did buy some edelbrocks,,,that have been "tweaked" ,,, that will go on a new 540-572 someday,,,but until then,,,it's PRO class city with my "fast" holley...that the guy in the stands cant even see under my hood .. lol




hey doug how have you been? hope you and the familey have a merry christmas and a happy new year.

but on the carbs what all has been done to them? i am going to have to get something done to the carter carbs that i have on my tunnelram.right now they dont want to idle worth a dam untill the engine temp gets up to 120 degrees.thanks Mopar65


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•Chrysler Hemi; Inline 2x4 or single 4bbl intake with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers, Holleys; or cross-ram 2x4 intake with Holleys.





I find it interesting that even though the very first Cross Ram equipped Hemis came from the factory with dual Carter AFBs, NSS does not allow them on a Cross Ram Hemi?

9.0-9.25-9.5 are the classes you can run with holleys in most organizations.





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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886733
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What class could I run if I wanted to keep my holleys

They work good on the street and I find them easy to work on plus they are paid for






Minimum would be C/FX 9.75 or quicker; B/FX 9.50; A/FX 9.25; AA/FX 9.00 or AAA/FX 8.75

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•Chrysler Hemi; Inline 2x4 or single 4bbl intake with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers, Holleys; or cross-ram 2x4 intake with Holleys.





I find it interesting that even though the very first Cross Ram equipped Hemis came from the factory with dual Carter AFBs, NSS does not allow them on a Cross Ram Hemi?

9.0-9.25-9.5 are the classes you can run with holleys in most organizations.






jake wasnt corda runnin 10.0 with is dart?

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What class could I run if I wanted to keep my holleys

They work good on the street and I find them easy to work on plus they are paid for






Minimum would be C/FX 9.75 or quicker; B/FX 9.50; A/FX 9.25; AA/FX 9.00 or AAA/FX 8.75


i thought the index was on the time the car ran. not the type of car or carb on the car

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•Chrysler Hemi; Inline 2x4 or single 4bbl intake with Carters, AFBs, Edelbrock Performers, Holleys; or cross-ram 2x4 intake with Holleys.





I find it interesting that even though the very first Cross Ram equipped Hemis came from the factory with dual Carter AFBs, NSS does not allow them on a Cross Ram Hemi?






ScottSmith, I have e-mailed the NSSNA and NMCA rules committees to try and get an answer to your question. Given the time of year with people on vacation and such, it might take a few days to get a reply.

You can always reach me at stillrock69@hotmail.com or (262) 547-0308

Bob Wilkiewicz,
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What class could I run if I wanted to keep my holleys

They work good on the street and I find them easy to work on plus they are paid for






Minimum would be C/FX 9.75 or quicker; B/FX 9.50; A/FX 9.25; AA/FX 9.00 or AAA/FX 8.75


i thought the index was on the time the car ran. not the type of car or carb on the car




"Carburetor (F/X Classes): Vehicles in these classes permitted the use of carburetors listed for NSS, or Holley up to 850 cfm in size (no Dominators). Aerosol carburetors prohibited."

In Nostalgia Super Stock Eliminator, regardless of make, if a racer chooses to run C/FX 9.75 or quicker, a Holley(s) 850 cfm or smaller is legal.

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What class could I run if I wanted to keep my holleys

They work good on the street and I find them easy to work on plus they are paid for






Minimum would be C/FX 9.75 or quicker; B/FX 9.50; A/FX 9.25; AA/FX 9.00 or AAA/FX 8.75


i thought the index was on the time the car ran. not the type of car or carb on the car




"Carburetor (F/X Classes): Vehicles in these classes permitted the use of carburetors listed for NSS, or Holley up to 850 cfm in size (no Dominators). Aerosol carburetors prohibited."

In Nostalgia Super Stock Eliminator, regardless of make, if a racer chooses to run C/FX 9.75 or quicker, a Holley(s) 850 cfm or smaller is legal.


so when al ran his 68 dart at 10.0 index he was legal with his xram carbs.

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I belive Corda's ( abert lee) dart is running a wedge motor with the indy intake and afb's.
not a hemi

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You are right, 9.75 for holleys, 9.25 for a sheet metal intake. my bad.

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I belive Corda's ( abert lee) dart is running a wedge motor with the indy intake and afb's.
not a hemi


what kind of 68 dart came with more than 1 carb other than a hemi?

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What is the NSS's take on the tall scoop
on the hood? Allowed or no?


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I belive Corda's ( abert lee) dart is running a wedge motor with the indy intake and afb's.
not a hemi


what kind of 68 dart came with more than 1 carb other than a hemi?



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ELIGIBLE YEAR MODELS AND BODY STYLES

The following is a list of cars/engines which are allowed to compete in Nostalgia Super Stock Eliminator:

• AMC AMX: 1968 – 1969; 390
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1959-64;348 & 409s, Z11 427
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1965-67;396-454
• Chevrolet Chevelle: 1964 – 1967; 396-454
• Pontiac Full Bodied: 1959-67;389-455
• Tempest/GTO: 1961-67;389-455
• Ford Full Bodied: 1959-67;390-427
• Ford Thunderbolt: 1964;427
• Fairlane/Comet/Cyclone/Falcon: 1963-67;427
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1960-67;383-440 wedge
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1964-67;Hemi
• Buick Full Bodied: 1960-67;401-455
• Skylark GS: 1964-67;400-401-455
• Oldsmobile Full Bodied: 1960-67;394-400-455
• Cutlass/442: 1964-67;400-455
• Dart/Barracuda: 1967-69;383-440
• Dart/Barracuda: 1968;426 Hemi
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All NSS Eliminator participants must declare and post the NSS or FX class of choice at the time of technical inspection or prior to the first scheduled qualifying run of the eliminator. No change of class is permitted after the first scheduled qualifying round.

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What is the NSS's take on the tall scoop
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7.7 HOOD/SCOOP
HOOD/SCOOP (NSS CLASSES): Hoodscoops limited to OEM equipment or period style. Hood/scoop may be no higher than 5 inches. Pro Stock style scoops prohibited. The entire induction system must be completely covered by hood or scoop, which must be part of the vehicle hood.

HOOD/SCOOP (F/X CLASSES): Not required.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: StillRock69] #886745
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I belive Corda's ( abert lee) dart is running a wedge motor with the indy intake and afb's.
not a hemi


what kind of 68 dart came with more than 1 carb other than a hemi?



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ELIGIBLE YEAR MODELS AND BODY STYLES

The following is a list of cars/engines which are allowed to compete in Nostalgia Super Stock Eliminator:

• AMC AMX: 1968 – 1969; 390
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1959-64;348 & 409s, Z11 427
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1965-67;396-454
• Chevrolet Chevelle: 1964 – 1967; 396-454
• Pontiac Full Bodied: 1959-67;389-455
• Tempest/GTO: 1961-67;389-455
• Ford Full Bodied: 1959-67;390-427
• Ford Thunderbolt: 1964;427
• Fairlane/Comet/Cyclone/Falcon: 1963-67;427
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1960-67;383-440 wedge
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1964-67;Hemi
• Buick Full Bodied: 1960-67;401-455
• Skylark GS: 1964-67;400-401-455
• Oldsmobile Full Bodied: 1960-67;394-400-455
• Cutlass/442: 1964-67;400-455
• Dart/Barracuda: 1967-69;383-440
• Dart/Barracuda: 1968;426 Hemi
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All Classes

All NSS Eliminator participants must declare and post the NSS or FX class of choice at the time of technical inspection or prior to the first scheduled qualifying run of the eliminator. No change of class is permitted after the first scheduled qualifying round.


i knew that if al had a hemi. it would have 2 carbs. i was just asking because as far as i know no 68 darts had multiple carbs other than a hemi.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886746
12/25/10 10:08 PM
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Who builds good eddy or carter race carburetors for cross ram engines
Any input or commits are appreciated




You could also talk with Ted or Glen at Opel Engineering, Streamwood, IL (Chicago area) - opelengineering.com


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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ro23car] #886747
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I belive Corda's ( abert lee) dart is running a wedge motor with the indy intake and afb's.
not a hemi


what kind of 68 dart came with more than 1 carb other than a hemi?



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ELIGIBLE YEAR MODELS AND BODY STYLES

The following is a list of cars/engines which are allowed to compete in Nostalgia Super Stock Eliminator:

• AMC AMX: 1968 – 1969; 390
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1959-64;348 & 409s, Z11 427
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1965-67;396-454
• Chevrolet Chevelle: 1964 – 1967; 396-454
• Pontiac Full Bodied: 1959-67;389-455
• Tempest/GTO: 1961-67;389-455
• Ford Full Bodied: 1959-67;390-427
• Ford Thunderbolt: 1964;427
• Fairlane/Comet/Cyclone/Falcon: 1963-67;427
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1960-67;383-440 wedge
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1964-67;Hemi
• Buick Full Bodied: 1960-67;401-455
• Skylark GS: 1964-67;400-401-455
• Oldsmobile Full Bodied: 1960-67;394-400-455
• Cutlass/442: 1964-67;400-455
• Dart/Barracuda: 1967-69;383-440
• Dart/Barracuda: 1968;426 Hemi
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All Classes

All NSS Eliminator participants must declare and post the NSS or FX class of choice at the time of technical inspection or prior to the first scheduled qualifying run of the eliminator. No change of class is permitted after the first scheduled qualifying round.


i knew that if al had a hemi. it would have 2 carbs. i was just asking because as far as i know no 68 darts had multiple carbs other than a hemi.




Just to publically confirm, at the 2010 Dave Duell Nostalgia Super Stock Nationals (Monster Mopar) event, according to the tech sheet in my possesion with mine and his signatures (9/10/10), Corda ran a legal combination, a 1969 Dodge Dart in NSS/A 10.00 with an RB wedge, an Indy cross ram and two Edelbrock Performer carbs.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: StillRock69] #886748
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I belive Corda's ( abert lee) dart is running a wedge motor with the indy intake and afb's.
not a hemi


what kind of 68 dart came with more than 1 carb other than a hemi?



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ELIGIBLE YEAR MODELS AND BODY STYLES

The following is a list of cars/engines which are allowed to compete in Nostalgia Super Stock Eliminator:

• AMC AMX: 1968 – 1969; 390
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1959-64;348 & 409s, Z11 427
• Chevrolet Full Bodied: 1965-67;396-454
• Chevrolet Chevelle: 1964 – 1967; 396-454
• Pontiac Full Bodied: 1959-67;389-455
• Tempest/GTO: 1961-67;389-455
• Ford Full Bodied: 1959-67;390-427
• Ford Thunderbolt: 1964;427
• Fairlane/Comet/Cyclone/Falcon: 1963-67;427
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1960-67;383-440 wedge
• Dodge/Plymouth Full Bodied: 1964-67;Hemi
• Buick Full Bodied: 1960-67;401-455
• Skylark GS: 1964-67;400-401-455
• Oldsmobile Full Bodied: 1960-67;394-400-455
• Cutlass/442: 1964-67;400-455
• Dart/Barracuda: 1967-69;383-440
• Dart/Barracuda: 1968;426 Hemi
----------------------------------
All Classes

All NSS Eliminator participants must declare and post the NSS or FX class of choice at the time of technical inspection or prior to the first scheduled qualifying run of the eliminator. No change of class is permitted after the first scheduled qualifying round.


i knew that if al had a hemi. it would have 2 carbs. i was just asking because as far as i know no 68 darts had multiple carbs other than a hemi.




Just to publically confirm, at the 2010 Dave Duell Nostalgia Super Stock Nationals (Monster Mopar) event, according to the tech sheet in my possesion with mine and his signatures (9/10/10), Corda ran a legal combination, a 1969 Dodge Dart in NSS/A 10.00 with an RB wedge, an Indy cross ram and two Edelbrock Performer carbs.


ok my boo-boo thought he had a 68 but i really dont care about the carb issue.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ro23car] #886749
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I never really cared who ran what. I guess you have to draw the line somewhere. I'm not sure any car that fits the class came with a double pumper during those years. Non long ram/cross ram 413/426/440 only ever had 1 carb. Not all Hemis had Holleys. Even though it is a index class if you want to run you need to have the correct parts to fit their rules. the national set of rules were laid out to try and preserve the original intent of the class. Though not perfect the numbers of cars and level of competition speek for themselves. I urge those who are interested to get what they need and come on out and run. A lot of fun and a great bunch of racers.
Doug

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: StillRock69] #886750
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What class could I run if I wanted to keep my holleys

They work good on the street and I find them easy to work on plus they are paid for






Minimum would be C/FX 9.75 or quicker; B/FX 9.50; A/FX 9.25; AA/FX 9.00 or AAA/FX 8.75




Ok 9’s is not going to happen I’m more in the high to mid 10 zone, so what class can I run if I keep my holleys.
I like my combo for how the car is used; now I’d like to attend more racing events. I’m ok not fitting in with the NSS class but would like to participate with similar type cars.
Not Honda Accords, new diesel trucks, tuners, Suv’s, etc.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886751
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you cannot use the holleys for any nss 10 sec classes.


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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: JAKE68] #886752
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you cannot use the holleys for any nss 10 sec classes.


hey jake was sammy clause good to ya?

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: dvw] #886753
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the national set of rules were laid out to try and preserve the original intent of the class.




Ok, but along that line of thinking regardless of what carbs ARE allowed (that never came stock on some of them) wouldn't it at least make sense to allow carbs that DID come stock on them? I have no dog in this hunt, just curious.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: JAKE68] #886754
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you cannot use the holleys for any nss 10 sec classes.




Understood please re-read post, I wanted to know what class I could run or am I stuck racing Hondas in brackets

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886755
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Understood please re-read post, I wanted to know what class I could run or am I stuck racing Hondas in brackets


it sounds like your racing the ricers. i know some guys that have eddys and ran great jake is one of them terry thurman another and mark bredernitz is another.

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886756
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Where do you race at??


Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!
Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: sjs64polara] #886757
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you cannot use the holleys for any nss 10 sec classes.




Understood please re-read post, I wanted to know what class I could run or am I stuck racing Hondas in brackets



In the NMCA you could run the nostalgia muscle car class. 10:50 or 11:00 flat class with your et. lots of nice cars in that class.
Russ

Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: ro23car] #886758
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you cannot use the holleys for any nss 10 sec classes.




Understood please re-read post, I wanted to know what class I could run or am I stuck racing Hondas in brackets


it sounds like your racing the ricers. i know some guys that have eddys and ran great jake is one of them terry thurman another and mark bredernitz is another.


...well if you are not willing to swap carbs your are stuck with test and tune with the ricers and bracket racing..imo you should swap carbs and test the waters of NSS..have you looked at the NSS race format?..it is index style racing, with the first(non-afx) index starting at NSS/A(10.00) and works it's way up to (in .50 increments)to NSS/E(12.00)...like most others have already stated you won't lose much et switching to the eddy style carbs. put on the eddys and see what your car will run and which class you fit into.. ...give it a try ..you have WAY too nice of a car to be wasting time with the ricers.
and on a side note...there is no law saying you have to use some HIGH $ carbs...i bought mine off of ebay..got less than $250 in both of them. a good cleaning and a fresh rebuild and they were good to go.(i did make jet & metering rod changes tho)

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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: old_racer] #886759
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Paul Haulbra went 8.74@152 and Jake went 8.99@150 with Eddy's Both 63' Savoy's...Eddys work. Our car has been 1.29flat 60'

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Re: NSS cross ram carbs [Re: old_racer] #886760
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you cannot use the holleys for any nss 10 sec classes.




Understood please re-read post, I wanted to know what class I could run or am I stuck racing Hondas in brackets



In the NMCA you could run the nostalgia muscle car class. 10:50 or 11:00 flat class with your et. lots of nice cars in that class.
Russ




Thank you , that’s exactly what I’m looking for. I’d like to run one more year before switching carbs. I like to do one change at a time on the car, run it several times, and record the results. Switching carbs as well as all the other weight loss and suspension updates I plan on doing this season may get me in a tail spin. I’m rather new to racing so sometimes I have to learn the hard way.

I now understand going to eddys wont kill my et. My intension was not to wrinkle any feathers. I wanted to know more about eddy carbs and classes. I built a street car with a cross ram for fun and did a lot of t&ts last summer at some tracks and now I’m starting to get it in my blood.

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