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"LS engine swap, dyno, bla bla bla..."

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Get used to reading about LS engines and LS related engine swaps, as it is a look into the future of the rest of the hobby.

The reasons you tossed it out are the reasons I purchased it.

Welcome to the future.

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I almost made a similar post after reading the Holeshot article on page 10 last night. I wish Freiburger would sell the Rumble Bee to someone who actually appreciates it. I'm sick of his constant jabs and condescending banter about his Hemi. I'm sorry he's disappointed in the numbers, and the drive ability isn't on par with todays hot rods. Either appreciate it for the 90's icon that it is, or throw a couple hair driers and some fuel injection on that [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] and enjoy the damn car.

Ya, the LS engine is pretty bad ass, but that doesn't mean you should dedicate an entire magazine to the damn thing. Is the GM High Tech magazine still around? If so, this crap belongs there. If not, well maybe you found the reason?

Later,

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Not to mention this month's issue of Car Craft is all about the LS engines too.

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i am more sick of reading about mopars with huge engines that run 11s in the mopar mags and that is why i spend the majority of my time on here when i want to read something. have you ever read about a mopar in a magazine that is more interesting than Brad Hs challenger? Nope, didnt think so

i found the LS head article interesting

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i am more sick of reading about mopars with huge engines that run 11s in the mopar mags and that is why i spend the majority of my time on here when i want to read something.

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i am more sick of reading about mopars with huge engines that run 11s in the mopar mags and that is why i spend the majority of my time on here when i want to read something. have you ever read about a mopar in a magazine that is more interesting than Brad Hs challenger? Nope, didnt think so

i found the LS head article interesting

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I love me some LS engines, don't get me wrong, but the latest Hot Rod and Car Craft are literally full of them.
I probably won't be renewing my mopar muscle subscription next time around. 99% of the cars they feature are not impressive in the least and half the magazine is late model "hemi" crap.

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I agree with both of you guys......I've already let all my subscriptions run out.......

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Car Magazines are little more than thinly veiled catalogues anymore.

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Pretty much all magazines now are. I bow hunt, turkey hunt and crappie fish, all of the magazines that I once subscribed to (with the exception KY Afield ) are that way now. The story will read, I picked up my (insert mfg name) rifle loaded with (insert mgf name) ammo and found the deer through the(insert mfg name) scope.............

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take a good look at a LS motor and it looks just like a BB mopar except for the valve layout

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take a good look at a LS motor and it looks just like a BB mopar except for the valve layout

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I agree. One really has to wonder if the GM designers took some hard looks at big block mopar designs.
- Wedge.
- 15° valve angle,
- deep skirt block,
- Cross Bolted 6-bolt mains
- Relatively long rod design

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We need a MOPARTS magazine, and possibly a YellowBullet!

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If you guys want to see some decent Mopars in the mags, I will tell you the same thing they are telling people DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Nobody wants to see a warmed over A,B, or E body with some alum heads and nice wheels, that maybe runs 11s. That unimaginitive crap is in the Mopar mags. You build a truly different Mopar and the mags will line up to feature it.

Every hi-tech Mopar that has been built the last few years, has been in nearly every mag. Just not many come around.

As far as the chevy oriented engine features.....a TRUE car crafter, can take an article about anything and learn from it. All engines are basically the same, just different logos on the side.

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Monte,I couldn't agree with you more, I like the articles even if they aren't my brand,,,cause I learn from it and try to somehow apply it to what I have and hope I can beat them at their own game, my car may be a but it's mine, and it is what it is because of idea's from other brand's also.

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Bring back the old Super Stock & Drag Illustrated...at least it treated us gearheads with some intelligence.



Amen to that. I loved the old SS&DI mag. Dont need to read about any of the new stuff in a Mopar Muscle mag and I would not take Hot Rod and Car Craft if you gave them to me free. They have always been Chevy biased with to much Chevy crap in all their mags. And the last thing I want to read about is the L whatever eng.

I also agree Mopar Muscle has way to much new Hemi stuff and eng builds in every issue. Ron

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i am more sick of reading about mopars with huge engines that run 11s in the mopar mags and that is why i spend the majority of my time on here when i want to read something. have you ever read about a mopar in a magazine that is more interesting than Brad Hs challenger? Nope, didnt think so

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I don't have one but its kinda confusing how someone with a 500 cube motor is running slower than a 446 with less HP in a vechile that also weighs more.

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i am more sick of reading about mopars with huge engines that run 11s...

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So, it's not just me thinking that.

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... have you ever read about a mopar in a magazine that is more interesting than Brad Hs challenger?

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I'm a little too biased to respond to this question.

FWIW(s)
1. I try to collect useful tech info from articles, regardless of the brand of engine.

2. Even so, I've still hit the point where I've let every one of my subscriptions expire, too.

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If you guys want to see some decent Mopars in the mags, I will tell you the same thing they are telling people DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Nobody wants to see a warmed over A,B, or E body with some alum heads and nice wheels, that maybe runs 11s. That unimaginitive crap is in the Mopar mags. You build a truly different Mopar and the mags will line up to feature it.

Every hi-tech Mopar that has been built the last few years, has been in nearly every mag. Just not many come around.

As far as the chevy oriented engine features.....a TRUE car crafter, can take an article about anything and learn from it. All engines are basically the same, just different logos on the side.

Monte

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If you guys want to see some decent Mopars in the mags, I will tell you the same thing they are telling people DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Nobody wants to see a warmed over A,B, or E body with some alum heads and nice wheels, that maybe runs 11s. That unimaginitive crap is in the Mopar mags. You build a truly different Mopar and the mags will line up to feature it.

Every hi-tech Mopar that has been built the last few years, has been in nearly every mag. Just not many come around.

As far as the chevy oriented engine features.....a TRUE car crafter, can take an article about anything and learn from it. All engines are basically the same, just different logos on the side.

Monte

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i am more sick of reading about mopars with huge engines that run 11s in the mopar mags and that is why i spend the majority of my time on here when i want to read something. have you ever read about a mopar in a magazine that is more interesting than Brad Hs challenger? Nope, didnt think so

i found the LS head article interesting

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If you guys want to see some decent Mopars in the mags, I will tell you the same thing they are telling people DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Nobody wants to see a warmed over A,B, or E body with some alum heads and nice wheels, that maybe runs 11s. That unimaginitive crap is in the Mopar mags. You build a truly different Mopar and the mags will line up to feature it.

Every hi-tech Mopar that has been built the last few years, has been in nearly every mag. Just not many come around.

As far as the chevy oriented engine features.....a TRUE car crafter, can take an article about anything and learn from it. All engines are basically the same, just different logos on the side.

Monte

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I agree Totally!!!!

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In a small artice within the ls powered car section they did say the 1st. and 2nd small block chevy crate motors are still the best sellers so there still is more old school guys than new.

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All the guys yearning for the old SS&DI and some of the others, may not exactly remember what was there. Lots of event coverage, some tech, not much and good editorials. In the internet age, race coverage is instant and good editorials from those that wrote in SS&DI can be found on the internet, just have to look for it. Modern mags are about popular trends and fads. A slightly warmed over muscle car, is not a real popular magazine story at the moment. Now put an LS, late HEMI, turbo or supercharger on that muscle car and you have a story people want to see.

Monte

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I think Monte is right....people want to see something unique. Mopar guys don't seem to like technology though....I'm adding a LS fuel injection, computer and coil on plug to my 440 mopar and have posted about the low buck conversion...but it doesn't seem like people are too interested even if it only costs $800. But thats ok....I think it's cool and unique.

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I think Monte is right....people want to see something unique. Mopar guys don't seem to like technology though....I'm adding a LS fuel injection, computer and coil on plug to my 440 mopar and have posted about the low buck conversion...but it doesn't seem like people are too interested even if it only costs $800. But thats ok....I think it's cool and unique.

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Mopar guys don't seem to like technology though....

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Thanks, Monte. And a few of the other guys.

In, say, 1953, there were FAR more flathead Fords than anything, and HRM covered Cad and Olds swaps. In 1955, there were still way more flatties and early overheads, but HRM covered the new small Chevy.

And to bring it home, in 1964 there were WAY more 354s and 392s than 426s, but HRM covered the new 426 Hemi.

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It sure dosen't hurt to learn something new. Even if I'll never own an LS, at least now I'll sort of know what people are talking about when the subject comes up in bench racing sessions. So I'm going to read it, maybe I'll even find it interesting.

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That was my point earlier, now with the 5.7 and 6.1 Hemi's capable of making some steam (enginemasters mag) then maybe there will be some article's on the new hemi"s to give us a better chance of competing against the LS bowtie stuff.hint,hint

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Example......when the GM guys developed the spread port, pro-stock style, big block head, the GM guys lined up for them in droves, because it was the sure way to push their motors to the next level. When a Mopar guy, designed a spreadport Mopar head, the "Predator", he was crucified, because it did not "look" like a Mopar head...........................................................Modern day..there have been countless redesigns of the BBC spreadport head and a new one seems to come out every couple months and the Predator head is STILL not readily accepted as a true Mopar head.....heads in the sand syndrome.

Monte

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just nothing I want to read about. ls engine swap, dyno, bla bla bla
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The one thing I found disappointing was the only Mopar in the mag. A 505 ci. with 4.56 gears only running 11s? My stock bottom end 360 with an outdated purple shaft cam and shaved "J" heads runs 11s. And they put a headline on the cover like it was super quick or something.

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I posted something similiar in another topic. Is that car suposed to come across as quick? It is a nice looking ride & I don't have any harsh words for it other than it should run quicker with what it has.

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Good call guys...toss it out.

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Now that is funny, but true. Mopar guys love to live in the past and remember the good ole days. Well the truth is, today is the good ole days. The GM LS engine, 5.0 Ford, and Mopar 5.7/6.2 Hemi are better engines than anything from the past, and are the future of hot rodding. They are such great engines. Have you ever had a ride in a new 2011 5.0 Mustang, SS Camaro, or SRT Challenger? I have, and they are damn fast in stock form. How can you not be impressed by a stock Mustang 5.0 that runs 12.8 out of the box, with no modifications, and high 11's with a some slight hot rodding? Hardly any 1960's muscle car could run that fast in stock form. They are 10 times better cars in every way than the old iron we all dream about owning.

The LS engine in particular has made hot rodding affordable for the masses again. Not everyone can afford a cross ram hemi, max wedge, or stroker big block, or stroker small block, or even wants to. I am a mopar guy to the core, and I own a max wedge, but I love these new engines also. If you are not impressed with the power they can make with such little effort, you need to educate yourself and begin to understand why every magazine is doing articles on LS engines lately. The 5.0 engine is the new kid on the block, but you will see more and more aftermarket parts, and magazine articles for it as well. It will not go away, so get used to it, or bury you head in the sand and live in ignorance.