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Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: earthmover] #879571 12/14/10 08:59 PM 12/14/10 08:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,813 A collage of whims topside Too Many Posts
topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,813 A collage of whims	Well, you have to understand that the real purpose of magazines is to sell ad space; that's where the money comes from. How many times have you seen HotRod, CarCraft & others mention "so-an-so provided this $368 fan & shroud", etc, for a project car? Notice that most project cars belong to someone at the magazine, and they get thousands of dollars worth of stuff thrown at them? The benefit I get from the magazines is working out WHY or HOW something worked, or looking at a build-up and thinking about alternatives. I think Mopar Action is probably the best as far as tech and details; the Mopar Muscle engine contests have very little hard info or details by comparison. What bugged me in the current HotRod was Cole Coonce's article on the funny car gal was pretty off-handed compared to his previous stuff like an article he wrote about The Surfers (Skinner & Jobe AA/TF) years ago. But maybe that was a subliminal message from Mr. Coonce.

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: topside] #879572 12/14/10 09:22 PM 12/14/10 09:22 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,987 new jersey usa 1 11secdart master
11secdart master 1 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,987 new jersey usa	SS&DI I haven`t bought a Car Craft or Hot Rod in years, I really miss the old mags like: Hi Performance Mopar, Bracket Racing USA. and SS&DI. the only mags I get know are Hemmings Muscle Machines and National Dragster. 68 Dart 410 / 904 92 D150 original owner 21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4 23 Audi Q5 16 Honda HRV

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: 11secdart] #879573 12/14/10 09:41 PM 12/14/10 09:41 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA S StealthWedge67 master
StealthWedge67 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,319 Puyallup, WA	Like it or not, We're a different breed. 70% guys that fall within the HR-mag target-market believe the world consists of only camaro's and mustangs. The next 20% might be interested in Chevelle's and GTO's. Another 5% are street-rod guys. And then there's us. I've always liked to be different, so I never have liked Hot Rod. The only ones I'll pick up these days are: 1. Muscle Car Review. 2. Hemmings Muscle Machines. For a while, I thought Engine Masters, from PHR had some promise, but the latest issue is nothing more than on the surface drivel. I learn more here than in any magazine. LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: StealthWedge67] #879574 12/14/10 10:22 PM 12/14/10 10:22 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 793 Utah topbrent super stock
topbrent super stock Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 793 Utah	Folks need to realize that when you see people getting excited about their car, doing engine swaps and spending money on their hot rods in general, that it really means that they are (or will be soon enough) spending their hard earned money in the performance aftermarket. This influx of cash means the performance aftermarket companies have money to reinvest into R&D for everything else also. - By extension, that means that some year the performance aftermarket might possibly give a crap about producing stuff for Mopars....maybe....probably not though, as they are content selling TONS of product to the LS crowd. The LSx will be just like the SBC of the previous generation, in that all those thousands of guys building the pesky SBC and SBF, basically enabled a whole aftermarket industry to be able to thrive and have the operating capital to be able to operate and innovate. The world is really much bigger than most Mopar guys will allow. Embrace the fact that in this 2010 economy, anyone is building a fast car with any powerplant. Encourage people to buy parts from vendors too...they might just also produce a product that you like to use. Back to bickering about Mopar 590 cams and SuperStock springs, I guess.

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: topbrent] #879575 12/14/10 10:45 PM 12/14/10 10:45 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	take a good look at a LS motor and it looks just like a BB mopar except for the valve layout Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: topbrent] #879576 12/14/10 10:49 PM 12/14/10 10:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ Duner top fuel
Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	Since magazines exist to sell ad space, and the stories are crafted to help push the products that advertise in the publication - it only stands to reason that the stories are about parts they are trying to sell. Since we are such a small market share and don't buy nearly as many parts as the brand x guys do, we won't ever get the coverage or be as happy with the "all brands" magazines as the other guys will. That's our payback for being "different". Actually I think Frieburger (sp) and the magazines have done a really good job of trying to keep Mopar stories in their publications. Compared with the number of products sold to Mopar guys vs the others - I'm completely shocked at the coverage we still get.... even if I do occasionally find an issue with nothing I find of interest.

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: sixpackgut] #879577 12/14/10 10:54 PM 12/14/10 10:54 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 793 Utah topbrent super stock
topbrent super stock Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 793 Utah	Quote: take a good look at a LS motor and it looks just like a BB mopar except for the valve layout I agree. One really has to wonder if the GM designers took some hard looks at big block mopar designs. - Wedge. - 15� valve angle, - deep skirt block, - Cross Bolted 6-bolt mains - Relatively long rod design

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: topbrent] #879578 12/14/10 11:10 PM 12/14/10 11:10 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston S sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion
sixpackgut Drag Week Mod Champion S Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,225 Charleston	Quote: Quote: take a good look at a LS motor and it looks just like a BB mopar except for the valve layout I agree. One really has to wonder if the GM designers took some hard looks at big block mopar designs. - Wedge. - 15� valve angle, - deep skirt block, - Cross Bolted 6-bolt mains - Relatively long rod design cooling system, timing chain cover and valley cover also. i actually thought a water pumup gasket would match up when i first took one apart Gen 3 power 6.22@110, 9.85@135 Follow @g3hemiswap on instagram performance only racing, CRT, ultimate converter, superior design concepts, ThumperCarbs

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: sixpackgut] #879579 12/14/10 11:59 PM 12/14/10 11:59 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama M Monte_Smith master
Monte_Smith master M Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama	If you guys want to see some decent Mopars in the mags, I will tell you the same thing they are telling people DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Nobody wants to see a warmed over A,B, or E body with some alum heads and nice wheels, that maybe runs 11s. That unimaginitive crap is in the Mopar mags. You build a truly different Mopar and the mags will line up to feature it. Every hi-tech Mopar that has been built the last few years, has been in nearly every mag. Just not many come around. As far as the chevy oriented engine features.....a TRUE car crafter, can take an article about anything and learn from it. All engines are basically the same, just different logos on the side. Monte

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: gsmopar] #879580 12/15/10 12:08 AM 12/15/10 12:08 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	Quote: We need a MOPARTS magazine, and possibly a YellowBullet! Yellowbullet would have to come in a black dense plastic so it wouldnt affend anyone LOL...

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: Monte_Smith] #879581 12/15/10 02:36 AM 12/15/10 02:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	Quote: If you guys want to see some decent Mopars in the mags, I will tell you the same thing they are telling people DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Nobody wants to see a warmed over A,B, or E body with some alum heads and nice wheels, that maybe runs 11s. That unimaginitive crap is in the Mopar mags. You build a truly different Mopar and the mags will line up to feature it. Every hi-tech Mopar that has been built the last few years, has been in nearly every mag. Just not many come around. As far as the chevy oriented engine features.....a TRUE car crafter, can take an article about anything and learn from it. All engines are basically the same, just different logos on the side. Monte Monte,I couldn't agree with you more, I like the articles even if they aren't my brand,,,cause I learn from it and try to somehow apply it to what I have and hope I can beat them at their own game, my car may be a but it's mine, and it is what it is because of idea's from other brand's also. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: 383man] #879582 12/15/10 03:07 AM 12/15/10 03:07 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 742 Oak Harbor, WA W Wicked49670dart super stock
Wicked49670dart super stock W Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 742 Oak Harbor, WA	Quote: Bring back the old Super Stock & Drag Illustrated...at least it treated us gearheads with some intelligence. Amen to that. I loved the old SS&DI mag. Dont need to read about any of the new stuff in a Mopar Muscle mag and I would not take Hot Rod and Car Craft if you gave them to me free. They have always been Chevy biased with to much Chevy crap in all their mags. And the last thing I want to read about is the L whatever eng. I also agree Mopar Muscle has way to much new Hemi stuff and eng builds in every issue. Ron I agree, love Super Stock and Drag Illustrated. How about Bracket Racing Magizine, that was a cool one! Matt 70 Dart 3400 496 New Best 6.15@110.37 660ft, 9.76@135 with a 1.34 60ft

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: sixpackgut] #879583 12/15/10 04:25 AM 12/15/10 04:25 AM
Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 161 Huber Heights Ohio G greenpigs member
greenpigs member G Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 161 Huber Heights Ohio	Quote: i am more sick of reading about mopars with huge engines that run 11s in the mopar mags and that is why i spend the majority of my time on here when i want to read something. have you ever read about a mopar in a magazine that is more interesting than Brad Hs challenger? Nope, didnt think so I don't have one but its kinda confusing how someone with a 500 cube motor is running slower than a 446 with less HP in a vechile that also weighs more. 69 Charger RT

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: greenpigs] #879584 12/15/10 08:49 AM 12/15/10 08:49 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands BigBlockMopar master
BigBlockMopar master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands	I tend to think in the early days magazines were started to spread information around. A group of people got together, gathered information and produced a magazine. A small number of advertisers took care of the production and (small) staff costs. The mags didn't have much additional 'luggage'. These days magazines carry a huge luggage in the form of a large company on top with a lot of people in it not actually contributing to the quality of the mag itself, but taking care of all the stuff around it like PR, distribution, advertising, account and subscriber-administration. Mags are viewed as a source of income. Sharing information comes second to making profit. In order to keep their profits (and bonuses?) up they sell more advertising space. Having too much luggage wasn't that much of a problem in the 90's, but now with rising costs, a lousy econy AND the fact that the Internet is here to stay, these Big Luggage-mags are having a hard time. Maybe it's time for them to loose most of that luggage and go back to what mags initially are ment for, provide and share information. BigBlockMopar.com

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: sixpackgut] #879585 12/15/10 12:16 PM 12/15/10 12:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: i am more sick of reading about mopars with huge engines that run 11s... So, it's not just me thinking that. Quote: ... have you ever read about a mopar in a magazine that is more interesting than Brad Hs challenger? I'm a little too biased to respond to this question. FWIW(s) 1. I try to collect useful tech info from articles, regardless of the brand of engine. 2. Even so, I've still hit the point where I've let every one of my subscriptions expire, too.

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: BradH] #879586 12/15/10 01:38 PM 12/15/10 01:38 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,906 IL, Aurora A ademon master
ademon master A Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,906 IL, Aurora	I think they are catering to the under 40 crowd, most under that age are not buying or building a bb e body, and drive it 500 miles a year, or tow it to the track with an enclosed trailer. I've switched to MCR its geared to guys that like pre 74 cars.

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: Monte_Smith] #879587 12/15/10 02:18 PM 12/15/10 02:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,872 Smyrna, South Carolina STEFF master
STEFF master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,872 Smyrna, South Carolina	Quote: If you guys want to see some decent Mopars in the mags, I will tell you the same thing they are telling people DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Nobody wants to see a warmed over A,B, or E body with some alum heads and nice wheels, that maybe runs 11s. That unimaginitive crap is in the Mopar mags. You build a truly different Mopar and the mags will line up to feature it. Every hi-tech Mopar that has been built the last few years, has been in nearly every mag. Just not many come around. As far as the chevy oriented engine features.....a TRUE car crafter, can take an article about anything and learn from it. All engines are basically the same, just different logos on the side. Monte I agree Totally!!!!

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: STEFF] #879588 12/15/10 02:34 PM 12/15/10 02:34 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	I just like reading about the muscle cars from the 60's and early 70's plain and simple. But I dont need different as I like them the way they were. I like a nice clean build and I like the street/strip cars as I enjoy knowing how they run whether its an 11 second Mopar , Ford or GM car. I myself am not into different custom built cars. Just give me street/strip or even just strip built muscle cars. What I dont like about Hot Rod and Car Craft is that they are and always have been about 90% percent GM biased. I like Hemmings Muscle Machines and Muscle Car Reveiw because they have all brand muscke cars on equal terms and that I enjoy. Ron

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: Monte_Smith] #879589 12/15/10 02:40 PM 12/15/10 02:40 PM
Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,415 Toronto M mshred master
mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,415 Toronto	Quote: If you guys want to see some decent Mopars in the mags, I will tell you the same thing they are telling people DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. Nobody wants to see a warmed over A,B, or E body with some alum heads and nice wheels, that maybe runs 11s. That unimaginitive crap is in the Mopar mags. You build a truly different Mopar and the mags will line up to feature it. Every hi-tech Mopar that has been built the last few years, has been in nearly every mag. Just not many come around. As far as the chevy oriented engine features.....a TRUE car crafter, can take an article about anything and learn from it. All engines are basically the same, just different logos on the side. Monte 100% TRUE! I still have my car craft subscription because i think out of all the mags, its the best out there..mopar muscle absolutly sucks with all the bone stock cars or slow cars, and learning about LS engines helps me improve my knowledge in general...better than nothing when trying to learn strapping a turbo on a new hemi can't be much different than the turbo ls swaps they do

Re: Got my new hotrod mag 2day. and in the trash it went [Re: STEFF] #879590 12/15/10 02:43 PM 12/15/10 02:43 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 114 Nevada D Darter6 member
Darter6 member D Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 114 Nevada	At SEMA I spoke to several of the big shots in the mag industry and they all fear for their jobs everyday.(Don't we all these days)Page count is way down. Some want to do away with paper all together.(Now I won't spend much as much time in the oval office)One of the hottest items in print is Hot Rod Deluxe as far as sales go.The publishers were fighting to keep it a shelf sales only (more bucks) But the brass has just opened it to subscription.Sounds like most of us have let our subscriptions runout, I used to have seven,now down to two.

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