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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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12/14/10 12:16 PM
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Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not casting aspersions on you but, judging from the way you asked your questions, my feeling is that you're way over your head in a project like that. I think the idea is cool and would love to see something done like that if done well. I just can't see it as a garage project. Regardless, WTH, if you got the ambition and skills, go for it.
FWIW, I can't see anyone w/o connections scoring a Viper drivetrain for 1/2 the price of a new gen HEMI. A Hemi out of a low mileage truck are around 1500 bucks around here.
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
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12/14/10 02:32 PM
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Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not casting aspersions on you but, judging from the way you asked your questions, my feeling is that you're way over your head in a project like that. I think the idea is cool and would love to see something done like that if done well. I just can't see it as a garage project. Regardless, WTH, if you got the ambition and skills, go for it.
FWIW, I can't see anyone w/o connections scoring a Viper drivetrain for 1/2 the price of a new gen HEMI. A Hemi out of a low mileage truck are around 1500 bucks around here.
No hard feelings man. Once I get going with even the smallest idea in my mind, I elaborate on it for a month. 
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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12/14/10 07:24 PM
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Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not casting aspersions on you but, judging from the way you asked your questions, my feeling is that you're way over your head in a project like that. I think the idea is cool and would love to see something done like that if done well. I just can't see it as a garage project. Regardless, WTH, if you got the ambition and skills, go for it.
FWIW, I can't see anyone w/o connections scoring a Viper drivetrain for 1/2 the price of a new gen HEMI. A Hemi out of a low mileage truck are around 1500 bucks around here.
No hard feelings man. Once I get going with even the smallest idea in my mind, I elaborate on it for a month.
I know just a tad about these swaps... I don't mean this to be rude, but with the basic questions your asking about minor modifications to the car, your going to be way way way over your head when it comes to custom fabricating a front subframe, firewall, crossmembers, custom efi harness, and don't forget the computer programming. I'm a mechanical engineer who also spent 3 years working as a racecar fabricator previously and I'm 2 years into this project. Granted thats largely about time and money, but still its not easy. My best advice would be to get the car going with a traditional drivetrain like a 360 or modern hemi or whatever and build up your skillsets before you jump into something like this.
Actually the real question is where are you going to school? If you are studying mechanical engineering and want to be able to tackle major projects like this in the future I would strongly recommend finding out if your school has a Formula SAE program. It is by far the best training you can get for this sort of stuff and will pay dividends throughout your engineering career as well.
-Jon
70 challenger convertible. 340/5 speed. blown, intercooled, efi, blah blah blah
71 valiant scamp 318/A833OD/AC/PS
00 dakota RC 4.7L 5 spd autoX'r. SRT10/T56 swap in process
73 W200 Power wagon, PTO winch, 4 spd
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: blown340]
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12/14/10 07:26 PM
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Formula SAE. yes this is a school project.
70 challenger convertible. 340/5 speed. blown, intercooled, efi, blah blah blah
71 valiant scamp 318/A833OD/AC/PS
00 dakota RC 4.7L 5 spd autoX'r. SRT10/T56 swap in process
73 W200 Power wagon, PTO winch, 4 spd
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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12/15/10 12:21 AM
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Here's something a little off the wall - are you familiar with the sound of the V-10's? Shop I used to work at had a customer with quite a few of them, not to mention we built the Tomahawk bikes, and I never liked the sound of any of them. Some of the Vipers had side pipes, some full exhaust with a variety of mufflers, and we also had a few customers with V-10 converted cars in for exhaust work and I never heard one that I liked. Same with the V-10 trucks, both Dodge and Ford. We could make them loud, but with the extra cylinders and a relatively smooth cam they just sounded flat to me, and several of the other mechanics thought the same thing. It may not be an issue to you, but I would hate for you to do all the work to install a V-10 and not be happy with the results.
Free advice and worth every penny...
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
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12/15/10 04:07 AM
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Formula SAE. yes this is a school project.
Right I go to a Cal Poly Pomona in CA which is a Polytechnic School and they have the Formula SAE team and I have been wanting to join for the life of me, but I am going to try to join my sophomore year because I would have taken more mechanical engineer classes. It just seems to be an amazing experience.
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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12/16/10 02:43 PM
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Formula SAE. yes this is a school project.
Right I go to a Cal Poly Pomona in CA which is a Polytechnic School and they have the Formula SAE team and I have been wanting to join for the life of me, but I am going to try to join my sophomore year because I would have taken more mechanical engineer classes. It just seems to be an amazing experience.
You don't need any experience to join! My Freshman year my contribution consisted of making some electrical connections, putting in rivets, and basically being a grunt moving stuff around the shop and holding things for people.  Even just doing that little stuff I still learned a ton just by being around the process.
-Jon
70 challenger convertible. 340/5 speed. blown, intercooled, efi, blah blah blah
71 valiant scamp 318/A833OD/AC/PS
00 dakota RC 4.7L 5 spd autoX'r. SRT10/T56 swap in process
73 W200 Power wagon, PTO winch, 4 spd
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: blown340]
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12/16/10 05:20 PM
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Formula SAE. yes this is a school project.
Right I go to a Cal Poly Pomona in CA which is a Polytechnic School and they have the Formula SAE team and I have been wanting to join for the life of me, but I am going to try to join my sophomore year because I would have taken more mechanical engineer classes. It just seems to be an amazing experience.
You don't need any experience to join! My Freshman year my contribution consisted of making some electrical connections, putting in rivets, and basically being a grunt moving stuff around the shop and holding things for people. Even just doing that little stuff I still learned a ton just by being around the process.
-Jon
Cool, but I have a really hard year for my first year. Taking more than the recommended amount of courses. But after that it will be easy sailing  . I really can't wait to join then. I would like to be one of the design captains by my junior or senior year.
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Where does the radiator go??? Looks awesome.
