Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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12/13/10 03:20 AM
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You'll want to be a decent fabricator....aside from the engine bay length...the K frame to oil pan clearance would be an issue I'd think, along with the torsion bar crossmember will probably need some notching to clear the T56. You'll need a fuel system to support it and do a wiring loom of course to run all the injection and ignition. If you are pretty good at fabricating, wiring, etc it should not be all that huge an undertaking, but won't be a bolt in sort of deal of course. Oh, and the VF/VG front structure is about 3.5" longer than a US car, but then you would be up for replacing everything from the firewall forward on the car, not a job for a novice of course. I actually thought about the swap idea since I knew where there was a V10 and auto around from an SRT-10 truck, but got involved with my Torana project instead for now
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: OzHemi]
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12/13/10 01:55 PM
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word of advice, take some time and start to study these cars and start researching your options.
the V10 is EFI only, no carb manifolds for it unless you make one, and then you have spark control to figure out too. gotta keep the EFI, which means computers, wire harnesses, etc.
this will be a heavy fabrication job, lots of home made parts. time consuming or expensive.
I say to research it...completely! price the parts you think you'll need, save up, then save double that for unforseen expenses.
I thought I would do a "simple" big block swap to a Dakota. I knew I'd be making mounts/headers, and figured the rest would be easy.
I ran into so many tiny headaches that I didn't think about or that didn't go as planned.
I told the wife I could do it for 6-8K, including a build of the motor and purchasing the trans.
I spent about $13K. granted, a lot of my expense was the snowball effect...if I'm rebuilding, why not spend a little more on a stroker crank. if I'm reconditioning rods, why not spend a little more on new ones that are stronger... the "stockish rebuild w/ cam" turned into a 500 hp stroker build.
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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12/13/10 04:02 PM
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Blown340 has been working with a V10 Dakota project for a while. You might PM him and ask about his horror stories. He's an engineer btw...
I’m listening.
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: BUBBAZ572]
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12/13/10 04:12 PM
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IF YOU DO THIS GO WITH THE GEN 2 ENGINE.I WAS TOLD THERE ARE NO PLUG AND PLAY PARTS AVAILABLE FOR GEN 1 ENGINE
Gotchya. Anyway the GEN 2 Engine is lighter and produces more power.
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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12/14/10 03:00 AM
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Gen 1-4 are pretty close dimension wise. I'd have to check my Gen 3. I think the Gen 1 is a little more compact due to the induction setup. Width is not an issue (similiar to a small block).
Be prepared to heavily modify your car. Firewall, trans tunnel & cross member, K-frame. Best bet is to go with an alterkation front end then make custom mounts and tranny cross member. You'll find the stock steering box wont wont work - but with the alterkation you'll have a more modern rack and pinion. you'll need an idit or flaming river steering column.
Also know that many your gauges will not work - you'll need to replace them with electrical ones. Simple stuff like the tach and speedo can be a pita.
The Gen 1 engines have forged internals and simpler ignition systems - easier to modify. However, you can have any of the ignition systems modified. And yeah, you'll need a complete efi setup - custom/modified tank, pumps, etc.
The radiator will need to be custom made - first its large, second it has bigger 2" inlets/outlets. I ended up not only modifying the firewall/trans tunnel but also moved the radiator in front of the radiator support. This means customizing the hood latch, A/C, etc. etc.
Its certainly far from a simple swap - no one makes swap components. Especially exhaust.
Good luck
1970 Charger - V10, 6spd, Alterkation, Street Lynx 4 Link, Moser Dana 60, Wilwood 14" disks, Forgeline 18" Wheels (Rear:335's), ISIS Multiplexing Wiring http://www.v10mopar.com
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: G_T]
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12/14/10 03:17 AM
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Gen 1-4 are pretty close dimension wise. I'd have to check my Gen 3. I think the Gen 1 is a little more compact due to the induction setup. Width is not an issue (similiar to a small block).
Be prepared to heavily modify your car. Firewall, trans tunnel & cross member, K-frame. Best bet is to go with an alterkation front end then make custom mounts and tranny cross member. You'll find the stock steering box wont wont work - but with the alterkation you'll have a more modern rack and pinion. you'll need an idit or flaming river steering column.
Also know that many your gauges will not work - you'll need to replace them with electrical ones. Simple stuff like the tach and speedo can be a pita.
The Gen 1 engines have forged internals and simpler ignition systems - easier to modify. However, you can have any of the ignition systems modified. And yeah, you'll need a complete efi setup - custom/modified tank, pumps, etc.
The radiator will need to be custom made - first its large, second it has bigger 2" inlets/outlets. I ended up not only modifying the firewall/trans tunnel but also moved the radiator in front of the radiator support. This means customizing the hood latch, A/C, etc. etc.
Its certainly far from a simple swap - no one makes swap components. Especially exhaust.
Good luck
Now are you talking about Reilly Motorsports alterktion kit? That one is a bit pricey, $4k. But, hey, you got to go all out on something like this. Let me just verify by showing you the link:
http://www.reillymotorsports.com/store/product.php?productid=16182&cat=269&page=1
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Re: Gen 1 or 2 Viper Engine in a 1968 Dodge Dart
[Re: G_T]
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12/14/10 12:04 PM
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OzHemi
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Simple stuff like the tach and speedo can be a pita.
You can get adapters to run them....I just did for an LS1 swap into an early car. A tach adaptor from Dakota Digital (that will work on 10 cylinder engine signals as well IIRC) and a electronic to mechanical speedo convertor that does the trick as well
Getting the gauges to work was alot simplier in my swap than building headers from scratch was (and having to do 2 more of them for a 10 cylinder would be even more fun I can imagine )
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