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Re: Hemi challenge semis results [Re: 68shifter] #876664 09/02/11 06:41 PM 09/02/11 06:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,169 MI 6 68shifter super stock
68shifter super stock 6 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,169 MI	CW Sr 8.59-157 solo CW jr 8.57-155. Won Wolko - 8.61-155 this was a good race. Congrats hemimilitia 68' Barracuda (4 speed) 64' Savoy (4 speed) 65' Satellite (girl tranny)

Re: Hemi challenge semis results [Re: 68shifter] #876665 09/02/11 06:56 PM 09/02/11 06:56 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,595 On the south side of Nowhere S S/ST 3040 master
S/ST 3040 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,595 On the south side of Nowhere	Good job Charlie. I get a kick out of him.

Re: Hemi challenge semis results [Re: S/ST 3040] #876666 09/02/11 08:42 PM 09/02/11 08:42 PM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 35 Virginia B BOSSHEMI member
BOSSHEMI member B Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 35 Virginia	In the 60's the fast Super Stockers were the hardest working, most innovative and creative guys. Jenkins, Nicholson, and Sox. In the 70's and 80's in Pro Stock it was Glidden, Shepherd and WJ. Charlie is like these guys. Dedicated to one goal. His Jennings car is sorted out from bumper to bumper and he still ain't satisfied with it. Watch him in the pits between rounds and you won't see a sandwich or a beer. You'll see his game face until the tracks closed for the day. Anyone that doesn't work on their combination 80-100 hours a week and thinks he can hang with Charlie should put their stuff on Racing Junk now and get out while you still have some cash left. WJ should put Charlie in his car.

Re: Hemi challenge semis results [Re: BOSSHEMI] #876667 09/02/11 08:56 PM 09/02/11 08:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,169 MI 6 68shifter super stock
68shifter super stock 6 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,169 MI	CW jr for the win 8.44 to his dads 54 nd ran him down. Very cool! 68' Barracuda (4 speed) 64' Savoy (4 speed) 65' Satellite (girl tranny)

Re: Hemi challenge semis results [Re: 68shifter] #876668 09/02/11 10:29 PM 09/02/11 10:29 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 674 Ripley B BryanRad mopar
BryanRad mopar B Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 674 Ripley	If everyone in drag racing or any other sport did the same every time one guy ran faster than everyone else for a few years, where would we be today? There wouldnt be anyone running any heads up classes. Not saying what they (Wescotts) are doing is not impressive but when someone steps forward like this is any field, the rest of the competition eventually catches up and the whole group is quicker as a result. This knuckle headed mindset of these guys throwing in the towel defies logic. I guess all the other guys running this class are lazy, ignorant, miscreants.

Re: Hemi challenge semis results [Re: BryanRad] #876669 09/03/11 01:17 AM 09/03/11 01:17 AM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 35 Virginia B BOSSHEMI member
BOSSHEMI member B Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 35 Virginia	In a class full of millionaires there are no lazy, ignorant miscreants. They are all overachievers in their chosen fields. It is no longer a plug and play class where you buy an engine from RBRE and Ray tells you what gear and convertor to run and you adjust the valves once a weekend. It is Pro Stock Jr. where you tear the car apart every round. Clutch management is where CW excels. David has it figured out now but he can only work on so many cars at each race.

Re: Hemi challenge semis results [Re: BOSSHEMI] #876670 09/03/11 10:13 AM 09/03/11 10:13 AM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 674 Ripley B BryanRad mopar
BryanRad mopar B Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 674 Ripley	Agreed on this one. Probably read a little too much in the first one, just couldnt wrap my mind around everyone throwing in the towel because someone is a little faster.

Videos from friday [Re: 68shifter] #876671 09/03/11 02:30 PM 09/03/11 02:30 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 41 Clinton Twp, Michigan B brianvnt90 member
brianvnt90 member B Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 41 Clinton Twp, Michigan	I just uploaded all the rounds of the Hemi Challenge to youtube...not pro-filmed by any means, but at least you'll get to see all of it if you werent there. Also, I've got previous shootouts on there too. http://www.youtube.com/user/brianvnt90

Re: Videos from friday [Re: brianvnt90] #876672 09/03/11 06:17 PM 09/03/11 06:17 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 199 wv J j oliverio member
j oliverio member J Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 199 wv	Whether you are a Wescott fan or not that is your business, but he works hard and lets face it he makes them fly and I respect them for that. I congratulate them on the effort they put forth at Indy.

Re: Videos from friday [Re: j oliverio] #876673 09/03/11 08:55 PM 09/03/11 08:55 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 753 Louisiana S Spyphish super stock
Spyphish super stock S Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 753 Louisiana	I congratulate THEM as well. Must be Briggs & Straton engines. One mows and weedeats one side of the ladder while the other does the other side. Hard working and fast team. Great final and all fans were on their feet. It was fun, thanks to all that came. CALMED THE QUAKE!!!(AGAIN!)

Re: Videos from friday [Re: Spyphish] #876674 09/05/11 08:34 PM 09/05/11 08:34 PM
Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 33 LA. F fascat member
fascat member F Joined: Mar 2009 Posts: 33 LA.	Quote: I congratulate THEM as well. Must be Briggs & Straton engines. One mows and weedeats one side of the ladder while the other does the other side. Hard working and fast team. Great final and all fans were on their feet. It was fun, thanks to all that came. X2. Also thanks to ( cuda ) Bluefish car on the great hospitality given to me at indy. Also great meeting you ( Taco) & talking. Fred Henson & Gary & Chris Bolton, John & Ben Holt- MY Buddy Big Jim Pancake & crew. Thanks for all the memories that i will keep forever in my heart.Also nice meeting & getting to talk to the Howes from new brunswick ,close to novia scotia where all my descendants are from. Again thanks to all & anybody ( Bales) else that i might have forgetten fascat

Re: Videos from friday [Re: brianvnt90] #876675 09/09/11 08:21 PM 09/09/11 08:21 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 24 Central PA BartonHemi member
BartonHemi member Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 24 Central PA	Brian, THANKS for the great videos. Just finally got to watch them. Congrats to the Wescott's. You had the car, and luck today. takes both some days to win HJ

Re: Videos from friday [Re: BartonHemi] #876676 09/14/11 01:04 PM 09/14/11 01:04 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,607 KYbywayof WV F Frito top fuel
Frito top fuel F Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,607 KYbywayof WV	Big Thanks to John Holt Race Cars for putting up $5000.00 for the Hemi Shootout next week at the Jegs Northern Sportsnationals.

Holt Race Cars Hemi Shootout [Re: Frito] #876677 09/14/11 02:05 PM 09/14/11 02:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 422 Columbus, OH B Ben Holt mopar
Ben Holt mopar B Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 422 Columbus, OH	Thanks Frito!!! John Holt Race Cars Hemi Shootout @ National Trail Raceway Qualify Friday and race Saturday (per NTR's schedule) $3000 Cash to win $1000 Runner up $500 ea. semi's Must run John Holt Race Cars windshield banner for duration of event $1000 win/$500 runner up cash/Jesel Drivetrain Must run decal and be equipped with Jesel Shaft Rocker system 5 gallon pail of VP C25 race fuel to top 5 qualifiers (25 gallons total) 1 set custom Hemi Spark Plug Wires from Moroso to winner

Re: ah going to Columbus [Re: Frito] #876678 09/14/11 02:06 PM 09/14/11 02:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 199 wv J j oliverio member
j oliverio member J Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 199 wv	who is going

Re: ah going to Columbus [Re: j oliverio] #876679 09/14/11 07:47 PM 09/14/11 07:47 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 753 Louisiana S Spyphish super stock
Spyphish super stock S Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 753 Louisiana	I have a conflict so Sled at Holt's being set up for Frito. CALMED THE QUAKE!!!(AGAIN!)

Re: ah going to Columbus [Re: Spyphish] #876680 09/17/11 12:39 AM 09/17/11 12:39 AM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 577 Arkansas A Adrielp mopar
Adrielp mopar A Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 577 Arkansas	I have a hemi question: How does the weight and length of the rocker arms in the hemi engines affect rpm potential? Does it have any significant downfalls that causes major stress on the valvetrain? Adriel Paradise Substation Design Engineer III

Re: ah going to Columbus [Re: Adrielp] #876681 09/18/11 12:13 AM 09/18/11 12:13 AM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 753 Louisiana S Spyphish super stock
Spyphish super stock S Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 753 Louisiana	I was thinking some of the engine guys on here would have answered your good question by now. Cat got their fingers or writers block! So from the Village Idiot of Hemi: The long rocker arm is on the exhaust side its not near the issue it would be if it was on the intake side. The exhaust rocker is aided in closing by the out going exhaust gasses. In a way, it has some help so the mass of the rocker on the exhaust side is not really an issue at all on the Hemi engines. It posses no problem what so ever to increasing the RPM range of the engine. Some Bob Glidden Pro Stock Ford Hemi engines turned well over 9500rpm with a similar length and far heavier weight rocker arm. We also have springs now days that handle much more than what we throw at them. The number one problem to increasing engine speed with a Super Stock Hemi is area. More precisely, valve area and port area. These engines are limited to a stock valve size and you can only fit so much air past a certain size valve. That should bring them out!!!!!! CALMED THE QUAKE!!!(AGAIN!)

Re: ah going to Columbus [Re: Spyphish] #876682 09/18/11 01:21 AM 09/18/11 01:21 AM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 577 Arkansas A Adrielp mopar
Adrielp mopar A Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 577 Arkansas	Quote: I was thinking some of the engine guys on here would have answered your good question by now. Cat got their fingers or writers block! So from the Village Idiot of Hemi: The long rocker arm is on the exhaust side its not near the issue it would be if it was on the intake side. The exhaust rocker is aided in closing by the out going exhaust gasses. In a way, it has some help so the mass of the rocker on the exhaust side is not really an issue at all on the Hemi engines. It posses no problem what so ever to increasing the RPM range of the engine. Some Bob Glidden Pro Stock Ford Hemi engines turned well over 9500rpm with a similar length and far heavier weight rocker arm. We also have springs now days that handle much more than what we throw at them. The number one problem to increasing engine speed with a Super Stock Hemi is area. More precisely, valve area and port area. These engines are limited to a stock valve size and you can only fit so much air past a certain size valve. That should bring them out!!!!!! The reason I ask is because I'm a college student in the process of designing a cylinder head so I was trying to spec out the rocker position of the intake and exhaust. The design issue I'm facing is whether to leave the pushrod straight which means having a longer rocker arm or put the pushrod at 5 or 10 degrees and having a shorter pushrod which will create some side loading at the lifter. I know the pushrod is going to sideload some, but I'm curious of how much force is required to make side loading a major issue. For example, at 5 degrees with 2000lbs of force down the pushrod will create a side loading force of 174lbs or with 10 degrees, 348lbs of side load force. I cant do much with to fix the Intake pushrod angles due to how big I'm trying to make the Intake ports and the crappy positioning lifter bores in big block chryslers. Anyway, with this design, I want and need the valvetrain to be able to spin up to 11,000rpm without causing such significant wear that the design is useless. I appreciate the help and I will also consult some other individuals as well. Adriel Paradise Substation Design Engineer III

Re: ah going to Columbus [Re: Adrielp] #876683 09/18/11 07:34 AM 09/18/11 07:34 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 872 NJ SSDAcuda super stock
SSDAcuda super stock Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 872 NJ	Its all a big compromise. The lighter the rocker, the less valve spring needed to keep the valvetrain stable at high rpm. In the same respect, the straighter the pushrod, the less lift required to open the valve an equal amount (tangents). The rocker weight could be overcome with more spring pressure, but there is no real cure for bad geometry. I would say for 11k rpm,keep the pushrods as straight as you can and thats unfortunately the rocker length you end up with. If you can alter the fulcrum point, keep a mild ratio. It sounds like you need a DOHC Hemi! And where is Charlie? SS/DA 1924

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