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280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? #864965
11/27/10 07:37 PM
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Never run one, dont think I have heard one run/idle. I have had about every other MP cam from time to time.
Project needs to idle good, and have good street manner's.
I hear the sound maybe just A have a hair more lope than say a Resto Magnum or 6 pack cam.


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Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #864966
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I would say more than a hair.


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Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: Rapid340] #864967
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I had one back in the early 80's. It's a mild cam,should work good in a street car. It idles about like a Comp. Cams 270 magnum.It's just big enought to sound like you have a cam. You won't have to have a stall conveter or steep gears to run it.


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Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #864968
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A buddy had one in a stick shift Chally and it behaved very nicely , with a bit of lope and a ton of bark once he put the shoe to it.
I'm pretty sure it sounded faster than it was actually going , but under power , it sounded great.

Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #864969
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I run one now for about 10 years in 2 different 340s. Took it out of one motor and put it in my new motor. Sounds great all the way around and performs well imo. I driven my 340 car all over the contry the last 2 years with that cam and 3:55 gears. I run a auto with a Coan convertor, idles great with AC and power brakes. 120mph out on the salt flats for over 5 minutes at a time, AC running the whole time!

Definitly more lope than a stock cam. Needs 15-18 degrees of timing to idle well.

Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #864970
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They can be a little lazy w/o a little recurve in the distributor. I'd also recommend a Comp 268 XE cam, excellent street manners. I actually swapped an XE 268 in place of an old street hemi small block cam and liked the idle and mid range much better. This was in a basically stock 1970 340 motor. A little more distributor curve woke it up even more.

Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #864971
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A customer of mine is running one in a stock rebuilt 440.Performer RPM intake 850 Holley and headers.I went through the carberator and distributor for him and he is thrilled with how it runs.
He took it to the strip and ran 14.12 on street tires with 3.23 gears.The MPH numbers show it has enough horsepower to go 13.80 with some work off the line.74 Charger fully loaded I believe it is nearly 4200 pounds.
Sounds really tame to me,but I like a pretty radical idle even in a street/strip car.Power brakes are no problem at all.
Keith

Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #864972
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Ran one in a 340 Dart years ago and I loved it. It was a stock 340 and internally the 280/474 cam and valve springs were the only change. Had an old Eddy dual plane intake and a 650 DP Holley carb. Also had headers and 2.5 exh system. It was a totally stock 904 auto that was behind a stock 318 and I just swapped it in when we took out the 4-speed. Oh and it had 4.10's with G60-15's. It ran great and had real good low end. It ran 13.49 @ 105 nursing it out of the hole as it would fry them street tires and this was back in 1980 so there was no drag radials to use back then. I feel very sure with the 105 mph it would run easy 12's with slicks and a good converter. And it idled just right with a bit of lobe to it. Ron

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Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: 383man] #864973
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I run one in my 74 Challenger also. 440 with RPM manifold,750 tweaked Holley and stock HP manifolds. Its very street friendly,has a nice lope and decent power. My car only runs 14.50's but I think the manifolds and H pipe are the culprits.


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Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: G-Money1320] #864974
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Well, I had one in a otherwise stock 440 in a 69 Dart. (Torker, 750 and headers) and it went a best of 11.64 @ 116 in really good air. 11.80's in the summer air out here.

That same stick in a smogger 440 went mid 12's in a 3,800# 65 Belvedere wagon...

Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: cudadoug] #864975
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Lopey idle in a 440, smoother than an Isky Mega 280 but cleaner and more forgiving than the MP .484" and the Lunati Bracketmaster. I liked the older version .471/.474"- 108LSA "Street HEMI", but they updated it in the early '80s for better driveability. It is somewhat smoother, but probably makes the same average power or more. We used the newer grind you are speaking of in a bone stock (save for HEMI valvesprings and fresh valve job, rings and bearings), '71 440 and ran mid 12s at 110mph with a Perf. RPM intake, 750 Edelbrock carb and 1 3/4" headers with a 3.91 gear in a 3700lb '67 Coronet. Shifted at aprox. 5400rpm but ran the same numbers shifting at 5600. Very consistent and repeatable and dead-nuts reliable. RB

Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: Bighead440] #864976
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I dont mind the lopey idle. Im looking at a near stock converter, 3.23 gears, I want a cam that doesnt affect fuel mileage as much.
You think this cam will be ok?


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Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #864977
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I run it with a stock 360 ( small valve heads) with 3.23's and a tunnel ram

I get 16 mpg and run 12.56 @ 106 ( 108 best) in the quarter - great cam!

Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #864978
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I dont mind the lopey idle. Im looking at a near stock converter, 3.23 gears, I want a cam that doesnt affect fuel mileage as much.
You think this cam will be ok?




A couple years ago, we used the Comp version in a customer's 440+.030 E-head build. Reused his Edelbrock single plane with the Eddy carb, 1 7/8" headers, stock converter and 3.23 gears in a B body.

I wasn't crazy about using the Eddy carb, but the thing starts warm with just a touch of the key and WOT at a dead idle gives tire smoke like you'd expect from a stroker engine.

It has a great drive-in lope, to boot. I think you'd be happy with it in your combo.

Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #864979
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I have tried many of the mopar grinds in both street and race cars. I often think that I want to add more cam to my street car,...then I take it for a ride and wonder why that crazy thought even entered my head.

It is just a very sweet, forgiving, torquey cam, with a very nice idle that has just enough of a lopey chop.

This same cam has been in 4 different 440 motors with me. I have had compression as low as 8, and as high as 11:1, stock converter to 3500 stall, dual plane, single plane, headers, stock exhaust manifolds, stock iron heads to aluminum eddys, etc.

It always puts a smile on my face, and most prople think there is something much wilder as a cam in the motor.

I am never done with tuning an engine. The last outing at the track netted 12.2 at 111.9 at almost 4,000 lbs. That was with a factory 2400 high stall and too much gear (4.10). A 3.50 to 3.90 would be perfect, but a 3.23 makes it a joy to drive anywhere, (and still run a solid mid 12 driving to and from the track). This motor is only 9.3:1, has ootb eddy heads, tti headers, full exhaust, 750 hp dp carb.

Bonus: runs on 87 octane and if you can keep your foot out of it, the fuel economy is surprisingly good for a big block. 15 mpg at highway speeds with a 3.23/ 275 60 15 tire.

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Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: racealittle] #864980
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This is my favorite mp cam for a street car.It ran fine with 3.23's in my 73 charger but really liked the 3.55's when I switched.Had it in a stock headed 440 with a rpm intake and a 750 vacuum secondary holley with headers.It would burn rubber at will and would turn 5700 rpm before it started to run out of air.
I would love to do an old school build with this combo with some ported heads and see what I could get out of it.

Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: gch] #864981
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I have this cam in my '72 Cuda 340 and it is a great street cam with decent mileage and performance. My car has 3.55 gearing and I'm getting 14-15 MPG on the highway and have run a best of 13.90 at 100mph with no traction (60' times of 2.15).

Does anyone know how this cam compares with the voodoo 60403? I'm looking to get more power but don't want to sacrifice too much in the way of mileage.

Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: cuda72] #864982
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Good Info Guys
But I was afraid it would be just too much for fuel economy.
I went with the Magnum 270H cam. I figured this cam will idle better and make just as much if not more power.


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Re: 280/.474 Purple shaft cams?? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #864983
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Never run one, dont think I have heard one run/idle. I have had about every other MP cam from time to time.
Project needs to idle good, and have good street manner's.
I hear the sound maybe just A have a hair more lope than say a Resto Magnum or 6 pack cam.




I ran this cam in my first 440 build about 10 years ago. It was a great street cam. In a full weight 68 B body with stock unported heads, headers, aftermarket intake and a holley carb, the car ran low 13s on street tires.


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