Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stic
[Re: Dart 340]
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07/07/08 02:22 PM
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autos are quicker and more cosistant in the 1/4 mile only. manuals require less stuff and maintnence and are much more efficent on hills and turns. autos are easier to install if the car was originally an auto. I built an auto car,if i did it again it would be a manual.
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Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stic
[Re: Dart 340]
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07/07/08 06:09 PM
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It's all a matter or preference.
...yep.
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Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stic
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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07/07/08 09:04 PM
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MAN... obviously some of you dudes never drove a manual valvebody trans car before.
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Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stick
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07/07/08 09:15 PM
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Trick question. Stick is more fun, Auto is faster.
The thing about this age-old debate is that in almost all cases, low-powered cars are faster in stick form due to parasitic losses of the automatic. High powered cars can afford these losses (the rear tires/suspension usually become the limiting factor)
Manual if more fun but in general auto is faster. If you've got a 500hp car, auto will definitely be faster, but like he said, if you've got a low-powered car, IE more like 300hp, the stick may in fact be faster because of the extra gearing is now worth the time spent shifting. All-in-all no matter what, manual trans is always more fun, but if you're chasing ET's, auto is the way to go.
As for manual valve body autos, I dunno, just something about that conceptually turns me off. I mean what's the point of shifting manually if you don't have a clutch pedal to play with? I thought that was the whole point...
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Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stic
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
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07/07/08 09:24 PM
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Back in the day the 4 speed was deemed faster and rated according to NHRA as such. At that time there were numerous drivers out there both pro and non pro that new how to bang gears keeping the right to the floor and bearly touching the clutch pedal. don't see all that many now. They are there but in the numbers there were back then. Also the autos of the day were not quite as quick shifting as there were not the kits and valve bodies available then as now.
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Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stic
[Re: MoparforLife]
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07/07/08 10:20 PM
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I agree with Scott - I run a "standard" Jamie Passon stick in a BB A body and love it. I had the same choice in front of me when I re-did the car between 02 and 05. Put the stick in and never looked back. Much like six flags, more gears = more fun! John 72440Demon
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Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stic
[Re: 440Demon]
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07/07/08 10:52 PM
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I agree with Scott - I run a "standard" Jamie Passon stick in a BB A body and love it. I had the same choice in front of me when I re-did the car between 02 and 05. Put the stick in and never looked back. Much like six flags, more gears = more fun! John 72440Demon
As you get older the more shiftless you get. I used to like it and knew how and could bang gears too but not no more.
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Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stick
[Re: Max Rockatansky]
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07/07/08 11:21 PM
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As you get older the more shiftless you get. I used to like it and knew how and could bang gears too but not no more.
I'm 45, how old do I have to be to get tired of shifting? I'll answer for you, It would be after I'm dead!
I've driven just about every kind of automatic combo out there (manual valve body, reverse manual valve body, SS/DA car with 5,500 stall converters, heck even drove a clutch-flite a few times, remember those?), some are more fun than others and all are easier to drive than a stick, but none have come close to the fun factor a manual offers, not for me anyway.
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Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stic
[Re: MoparforLife]
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07/07/08 11:24 PM
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Stick is always going to be more fun. Especially an 833
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Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stic
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07/07/08 11:32 PM
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4 speed will always be more fun
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Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stick
[Re: 68Bullit]
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07/08/08 12:52 AM
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Manual all the way. Would not even consider owning an automatic unless I was hurt or had bad knees and couldn't work the clutch and shifter. To date I have never owned any type of vehicle with an automatic, hot-rod or otherwise.
68 Roadrunner. 383 4-spd. Beat up.
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Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stic
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07/08/08 12:57 AM
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If you go with something with a quick first gear I think you'll like it better. Alot of the advantage of newer cars is the gearing that they get away with because of 5th and 6th speed overdrive. First gear is in the mid 3s:1 and differential is often in the mid to high 4s in these little engined sports cars. You dont need that much torque when youve got all that mechanical advantage on your side.
You think a 225 hp 300 ft lb of torque 302 would have propelled a late 60s Mustang to mid 14s like the 5.0s of the 80s?
3.35 first gear helps those cars alot.
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: Which would be more fun, and faster? Auto vs. stic
[Re: 68Bullit]
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07/08/08 06:05 PM
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Which would be a better investment, the automatic, or 5-spd?
You've already had many responses concerning which is better but I will add another point.
I've watched the prices of Tremecs on the Mustang forums. It's a nice upgrade over the factory Mustang transmission too. As for investment.
Even used, like raced for 6 years used. These are still selling for $1600-$2000 and being sold FAST.
Also the internal rail shift mechanism feels like day one after thousands of miles.
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