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Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: quickd100] #840023
10/28/10 07:40 AM 10/28/10 07:40 AM
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i may have to do it for that cross ram to get aircleaner on and enough space for it.
that Barton intake is HIGHrise.
would mean that Iīd have to lower the k-member 3"-4" -> no oil pan clearance -> undoable...
Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: Hemi_K] #840024
10/28/10 08:14 AM 10/28/10 08:14 AM
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I have a 472" Hemi and i am in need of a GOOD intake for it. i have tried the StageV 2*4 but it was a little dissapointing hp & tq wise. do not want to use scoop so any high rise intake is out of the question.(Had a Barton singleplane and with that the engine made 700hp). Moparīs cross ram wonīt fit under my hood. Now thinking those A&Aīs cross ramīs - alu or magnesium. has anyone used either one of those and what can you tell me about them ? Anyone dynoed their engine using one of those ?

Getting desperate with this intake question....

I am running the A & A alum. cross ram on my Hemi Barracuda. My engine, with the Indy Legend 1 alum. heads, made 75 LESS h.p. with this intake over the single Indy high rise with an 850 Holley. The problem with the cross ram is the size of the runners and you really can't make them larger.
My engine made 511 h.p. and 502 lbs of torque with the cross ram. 586 with the single high rise but for my application the cross ram was my only choice. It's plenty of power for my car on the street, can't get the power to the street now so another 75 h.p. would have made it worse.

Not certain about your hood clearance issue regarding the cross ram, carbs and air cleaners. The scoop is definately required on my car.
Keep us posted.

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Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: Mopar Grandpa] #840025
10/28/10 08:15 AM 10/28/10 08:15 AM
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Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: Mopar Grandpa] #840026
10/28/10 08:19 AM 10/28/10 08:19 AM
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Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: Mopar Grandpa] #840027
10/28/10 08:45 AM 10/28/10 08:45 AM
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Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: Hemi_K] #840028
10/28/10 09:33 AM 10/28/10 09:33 AM
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Did you dyno the engine when you received it to confirm Barton's numbers and get your own baseline? No 2 dynos will read the same , especially half way around the world .
Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: JohnRR] #840029
10/28/10 09:52 AM 10/28/10 09:52 AM
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Mopar Grandpa:
Astonishing !
just canīt find better word (my limited English) to describe your car.
Beautiful color - nearly same as mine
I think I have more space in my B-body for the engine.
Could you tell me anything else about your engine - size, cam, carbs...

JohnRR:
No, now regretting it.
I do not think that they cheated or anything but did they use spacers under the carb, how good dyno headers they have and such little things might mean some hp difference ?

Just heard from another Finnish guy that he got a 572" Hemi from Barton and it went to the same Finnish dyno I have used. The difference was something like 10 hpīs ie. nothing...
Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: Hemi_K] #840030
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If loss of torque is the issue, would Vanke mod 2x4 dual plane that's gasket matched make more torque than the Stage 5??
Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: Triggerfish] #840031
10/28/10 02:15 PM 10/28/10 02:15 PM
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If loss of torque is the issue, would Vanke mod 2x4 dual plane that's gasket matched make more torque than the Stage 5??



I can't imagine it , the stage 5 is supposed be good for 50HP over the stock dual plane?
Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: Hemi_K] #840032
10/28/10 02:36 PM 10/28/10 02:36 PM
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Mopar Grandpa:
Astonishing !
just canīt find better word (my limited English) to describe your car.
Beautiful color - nearly same as mine
I think I have more space in my B-body for the engine.
Could you tell me anything else about your engine - size, cam, carbs...



Thank you for the compliments and without bragging (as I did not paint the car)the car looks a lot nicer than the pictures indicate.

The engine is a new MP 432 cu. in. with 10.25:1 Diamond pistons, hyd. Comp cam 244 duration with .534 & .517 lift, Legend 1 alum. heads, which breathe very, very good and it runs great on 92 octane pump gas. The carbs are Holley 4236.

I told Kenny at ICH that I wanted him to build me a very streetable engine but yet had the power to pull some stumps. I am not disappointed in the least. But again, the cross ram doesn't flow as well as the single high rise due to the size of the runners. However, for your street use I think it would work fine and look really nice. Although my engine makes a lot of power on the low end it pulls very, very strong on the big end too. It's never been down the 1320 (even though I'm at the track a lot)as the car will not hook and I'm not going to put a set of slicks on and rubber up the quarter panels and underside of the car.

Rick Allison at A&A is a great guy to work with and I bought the intake, carbs, linkage, bolts and intake plugs from him.

Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: Mopar Grandpa] #840033
10/28/10 02:50 PM 10/28/10 02:50 PM
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Thanks for the info.
our engines are quite different.
Mine is supposed to be streetable while yours is as true street engine as can be making over 500 hp.
must be a blast to drive...

And yes, i have contacted Rick to ask some questions from him too. seems very easy to speak to.
I also understand that his parts are top quality.
Can you confirm this ?
Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: Hemi_K] #840034
10/28/10 04:42 PM 10/28/10 04:42 PM
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Yes, Rick doesn't sell or produce cheaply built/manufactured products. He also re-freshened the 727 in my Barracuda and did a great job. As far as I'm concerned he is one of the best and honest men around. I've known him for a number of years and he's a stand up gentleman.

Not only does his company produce many of the parts for his street and racing transmissions but anytime you go in his facility you'll find him wrenching on a build.

Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: Mopar Grandpa] #840035
10/28/10 07:04 PM 10/28/10 07:04 PM
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Rick won't steer you wrong, very good guy and very knowledgable too.
Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: Hemi_K] #840036
10/28/10 09:14 PM 10/28/10 09:14 PM
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Your engine is very close to mine. Mine is a 472 with 11-1 CP pistons as well. I started out with a Stage V intake and a 620 lift solid. Even with 3.23 gears it still cooked pretty hard but I detuned it with a stock intake (so I could run the stock aircleaner) and a little 560 lift solid. It pretty nuts now with the little tires on it and it idles like a stock 318.
I'm not sure but I think distribution is also a problem with the factory style crossrams. Sorry but te Stage V really seems to be the winner in your case.

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Re: Any A&A Hemi cross ram users ? [Re: RUNCHARGER] #840037
10/29/10 07:35 PM 10/29/10 07:35 PM
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also, won't the a a intake have to be cut apart and rewelded to make flow changes? that what they did on the orginals and that can't be cheap! dave
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