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Disappointed with Prosystems! #834908
10/20/10 08:37 PM
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After reading all of the positive posts on this board I bought a Prosystems carb. I am very disapointed with the carb. I am going to work with them and try to get the issue resolved but after the second contact with them I am not very optimistic. The thing that really turned me off on top of all of the other problems was the fact that I paid around $1,200 for a custom carb that won't idle. It is way to rich. When I check the air bleeds to the spec sheet I find out that they don't match. After talking to Brad at Prosystems he tells me that the bleeds are not as labled they buy #23's in bulk and then drill them to what they need. That to me is unbelievable. I also have a Bigs 1050 and his bleeds are as labled.
I was also informed that the carb is only a 1050 that flows 1100 cfm. When I ordered a 1150 carb.
I already have a Bigs 1050 I don't need another 1050.
I will be calling them again in the morning but from my experience I will have to leave a message and wait for a call back.
I am starting to remember why I lost interest in drag racing the first time and got out for a few years. Who should I talk to to get results?

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I cant imagine patrick not helping you! as far as im concerned he has the best customer service out there! my carb yes is labled all 23s like that also! I have alot of small bits and put them in the holes to see if they match the paperwork and i change the orifice sizes alot for tuning! he is on facebook as well and I have NEVER had him not get back ahold of me via email or phone!

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Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: moparniac] #834910
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Is there someone by the name of Brad at Prosystems?

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: moparniac] #834911
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call and talk with Patrick himself.
im sure he will do what ever it takes to make it right.

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: BobsProFab] #834912
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When i bought my first carb from Patrick he gave me his cell # just in case i needed to talk to him quick. Thats the way he is with everybody, AFAIK.

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call and talk with Patrick himself.
im sure he will do what ever it takes to make it right.




x100. he gives out his personal cell number for weekend tech/emergency questions also...

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000006801476


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Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: moparniac] #834914
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Patrick is very obtainable when you need help.

Do I feel I got $1,200 worth of carburator, NO. But, his customer service was excellent. That adds up for a lot $$ compared to others I have dealt with.


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Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: DodgeCharger] #834915
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When I check the air bleeds to the spec sheet I find out that they don't match. After talking to Brad at Prosystems he tells me that the bleeds are not as labled they buy #23's in bulk and then drill them to what they need. That to me is unbelievable.


Have you measured them to verify he is telling you the truth? What facts do you have to say "unbelievable" ?

I can't tell anything from what you posted.

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: 440Jim] #834916
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I can't believe that they don't have the correct labled bleeds!

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I have never dealt with Patrick or his Carbs. When you do as many carbs as he does,you would surely buy many parts (air bleeds) in bulk,and drill them as needed for the specific one you need.It really is not that uncommon.
I'm sure he will work it out with you.

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Everyone makes mistakes now and then, but I have gotten two carbs back from there with the wrong jetting/bleeds, or NOT what was listed on the sheet anyway. The excuse was, they have some "standard" stuff they put in there for the flow bench, and the correct ones were apparently not put back in, after the flow work.

My own experience with Pro-Systems, has always resulted in a carb that was rich and needed some tinkering when I got it.

But I have let them do quite a few carbs for me and also some customer stuff in the past. Now, I use the new Holley "Ultra" carbs.

Monte

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: DodgeCharger] #834919
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Is there someone by the name of Brad at Prosystems?




Yeah, we were playing phone tag today.

First I called the main number, got the machine and left a message. Waited as long as I could then left. Of course he called while I was gone. Brad left his "direct number" no answer there either or a call back today. Hopefully we'll be able to catch each other tomorrow.

I changed my jets today. First time the carb has been apart and one of the blue fuel bowl gaskets was severed in half along the top. Right after I started the car for the first time another gasket was leaking like a sieve. The bowl screws were already tight. I replaced the gasket, and it was good to go. All the gaskets seemed to be dried out and appeared used:(

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: PolyDart] #834920
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If you read the tag that comes with the carb, it tell you that they wet flow these using a non flammable liquid. Also that the jetting can be off because of this. And that you should check for leaks, because they can't flow with a flammable liquid then ship.

Patrick called me personally when I had a carb question. His service is second to none as far as I'm concerned..
My carb was perfect out of the box.


Chris..

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #834921
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And that you should check for leaks, because they can't flow with a flammable liquid then ship.





I checked for leaks, but the bowl screws were already tight. The gaskets were bad...

This is what the gasket looked like the first time I pulled it apart.

This one wasn't leaking. It came from my rear bowl. My front bowl was leaking and I replaced the gasket before I ever ran the car at the track.

Just seems weird for a "new" carb.

6260850-split_gasket.jpg (115 downloads)
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Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: PolyDart] #834922
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You couldn't really see that the gasket was actually split very well in that shot, so I pulled it apart to make it visible.

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Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #834923
10/20/10 10:54 PM
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both of my prosystems carbs(950 and 1000) came with 35 idle feed restrictors and makes them run pig fat at idle on my 408. my bigs 950 also has 35 IFR's and idled fat til i drilled the idle air bleeds to an 80 and set the mixture screws at 1/2 turn. not sure why these guys like thier carbs pig fat at idle,but they make great power down the track. i think a 32IFR would work much better in these carbs producing better street manors.

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mine from patrick are red!


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Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: moparniac] #834925
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mine are blue also. same non-stick gasket.

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! [Re: moparniac] #834926
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mine from patrick are red!




If those are the red ones that BLP supplies, they are by far the best bowl gaskets I've used.

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they are good for .00000125 HP and for the record patrick shipped them to me for free(and extras sets)! as I just wanted some extra gaskets to have around and I liked them so much I just put'em on



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