Disappointed with Prosystems!

Posted By: DodgeCharger

Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 12:37 AM

After reading all of the positive posts on this board I bought a Prosystems carb. I am very disapointed with the carb. I am going to work with them and try to get the issue resolved but after the second contact with them I am not very optimistic. The thing that really turned me off on top of all of the other problems was the fact that I paid around $1,200 for a custom carb that won't idle. It is way to rich. When I check the air bleeds to the spec sheet I find out that they don't match. After talking to Brad at Prosystems he tells me that the bleeds are not as labled they buy #23's in bulk and then drill them to what they need. That to me is unbelievable. I also have a Bigs 1050 and his bleeds are as labled.
I was also informed that the carb is only a 1050 that flows 1100 cfm. When I ordered a 1150 carb.
I already have a Bigs 1050 I don't need another 1050.
I will be calling them again in the morning but from my experience I will have to leave a message and wait for a call back.
I am starting to remember why I lost interest in drag racing the first time and got out for a few years. Who should I talk to to get results?

Posted By: moparniac

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 12:45 AM

I cant imagine patrick not helping you! as far as im concerned he has the best customer service out there! my carb yes is labled all 23s like that also! I have alot of small bits and put them in the holes to see if they match the paperwork and i change the orifice sizes alot for tuning! he is on facebook as well and I have NEVER had him not get back ahold of me via email or phone!

prosystems12@gmail.com

Posted By: DodgeCharger

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 12:50 AM

Is there someone by the name of Brad at Prosystems?

Posted By: BobsProFab

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 12:51 AM

call and talk with Patrick himself.
im sure he will do what ever it takes to make it right.

Posted By: B1Fish540

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 12:57 AM

When i bought my first carb from Patrick he gave me his cell # just in case i needed to talk to him quick. Thats the way he is with everybody, AFAIK.

Posted By: moparniac

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 01:05 AM

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call and talk with Patrick himself.
im sure he will do what ever it takes to make it right.

x100. he gives out his personal cell number for weekend tech/emergency questions also...

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000006801476

Posted By: Leon441

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 01:08 AM

Patrick is very obtainable when you need help.

Do I feel I got $1,200 worth of carburator, NO. But, his customer service was excellent. That adds up for a lot $$ compared to others I have dealt with.

Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 01:16 AM

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When I check the air bleeds to the spec sheet I find out that they don't match. After talking to Brad at Prosystems he tells me that the bleeds are not as labled they buy #23's in bulk and then drill them to what they need. That to me is unbelievable.

Have you measured them to verify he is telling you the truth? What facts do you have to say "unbelievable" ?

I can't tell anything from what you posted.

Posted By: DodgeCharger

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 01:22 AM

I can't believe that they don't have the correct labled bleeds!

Posted By: Dunnuck Racing

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 01:30 AM

I have never dealt with Patrick or his Carbs. When you do as many carbs as he does,you would surely buy many parts (air bleeds) in bulk,and drill them as needed for the specific one you need.It really is not that uncommon.
I'm sure he will work it out with you.

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 01:35 AM

Everyone makes mistakes now and then, but I have gotten two carbs back from there with the wrong jetting/bleeds, or NOT what was listed on the sheet anyway. The excuse was, they have some "standard" stuff they put in there for the flow bench, and the correct ones were apparently not put back in, after the flow work.

My own experience with Pro-Systems, has always resulted in a carb that was rich and needed some tinkering when I got it.

But I have let them do quite a few carbs for me and also some customer stuff in the past. Now, I use the new Holley "Ultra" carbs.

Monte

Posted By: PolyDart

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 02:00 AM

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Is there someone by the name of Brad at Prosystems?

Yeah, we were playing phone tag today.

First I called the main number, got the machine and left a message. Waited as long as I could then left. Of course he called while I was gone. Brad left his "direct number" no answer there either or a call back today. Hopefully we'll be able to catch each other tomorrow.

I changed my jets today. First time the carb has been apart and one of the blue fuel bowl gaskets was severed in half along the top. Right after I started the car for the first time another gasket was leaking like a sieve. The bowl screws were already tight. I replaced the gasket, and it was good to go. All the gaskets seemed to be dried out and appeared used:(

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 02:38 AM

If you read the tag that comes with the carb, it tell you that they wet flow these using a non flammable liquid. Also that the jetting can be off because of this. And that you should check for leaks, because they can't flow with a flammable liquid then ship.

Patrick called me personally when I had a carb question. His service is second to none as far as I'm concerned..
My carb was perfect out of the box.

Chris..

Posted By: PolyDart

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 02:44 AM

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And that you should check for leaks, because they can't flow with a flammable liquid then ship.

I checked for leaks, but the bowl screws were already tight. The gaskets were bad...

This is what the gasket looked like the first time I pulled it apart.

This one wasn't leaking. It came from my rear bowl. My front bowl was leaking and I replaced the gasket before I ever ran the car at the track.

Just seems weird for a "new" carb.

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Posted By: PolyDart

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 02:50 AM

You couldn't really see that the gasket was actually split very well in that shot, so I pulled it apart to make it visible.

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Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 02:54 AM

both of my prosystems carbs(950 and 1000) came with 35 idle feed restrictors and makes them run pig fat at idle on my 408. my bigs 950 also has 35 IFR's and idled fat til i drilled the idle air bleeds to an 80 and set the mixture screws at 1/2 turn. not sure why these guys like thier carbs pig fat at idle,but they make great power down the track. i think a 32IFR would work much better in these carbs producing better street manors.

Posted By: moparniac

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 02:55 AM

mine from patrick are red!

Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 02:57 AM

mine are blue also. same non-stick gasket.

Posted By: BSB67

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 03:14 AM

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mine from patrick are red!

If those are the red ones that BLP supplies, they are by far the best bowl gaskets I've used.

Posted By: moparniac

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 03:15 AM

they are good for .00000125 HP

and for the record patrick shipped them to me for free(and extras sets)! as I just wanted some extra gaskets to have around and I liked them so much I just put'em on

Posted By: tboomer

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 03:18 AM

How much gain do you expect from a 1050 to an 1150?

Jesse knows his stuff...I don't think you will see much...

Posted By: DaKuda

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 03:42 AM

QuickFuel or Holley Ultra from Summit out of the box. Ran just as fast as the BLP and other high end carbs we tested against and half the price...

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 04:13 AM

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How much gain do you expect from a 1050 to an 1150? Jesse knows his stuff...I don't think you will see much...

Hey Ted.. Here were my results..

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post6183430

Keep in mind, I don't ever touch the t-stop while testing, so I can get a good idea on what changes help or hurt.

Chris..

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 04:14 AM

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mine from patrick are red!

So are mine..

Chris..

Posted By: DaKuda

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 04:25 AM

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You want good Government? Move to Arizona, Don't Boycott it

Oh...sorry. Got off subject...

Posted By: DodgeCharger

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 11:46 AM

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How much gain do you expect from a 1050 to an 1150? Jesse knows his stuff...I don't think you will see much...

I don't know how much better the 1150 would be but I was hoping to find out. That is why I ordered one. I seen two carbs run back to back and one made 17 more hp on the dyno

Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 12:20 PM

I showed you results..

Chris..

Posted By: DodgeCharger

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 02:17 PM

Hom much do you figure you picked up. 1 tenth and 1.5 mile per hour?

Posted By: DodgeCharger

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 02:45 PM

Patrick called me this morning. They do not offer a 1150 carb. They have 1100's and 1200's. Since my motor makes less than 900 hp he recomends the 1100.
I am going to call the tech line tonight to talk to someone about correcting the rich idle.

If we can get the rich idle cleaned up I will be happy. The carb made really good horsepower on the dyno compared to the other carbs tested.

Posted By: hemi-itis

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 03:06 PM

I ordered 2 SV1's through C & B Racing,should have them next week!!I am confident they will work very well for me

Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 03:09 PM

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Patrick called me this morning. They do not offer a 1150 carb. They have 1100's and 1200's. Since my motor makes less than 900 hp he recomends the 1100.
I am going to call the tech line tonight to talk to someone about correcting the rich idle.

If we can get the rich idle cleaned up I will be happy. The carb made really good horsepower on the dyno compared to the other carbs tested.

Iam confused

You bought an 1150 got a 1100 because they dont make a 1150. The carb has been on a dyno and makes more horsepower but it idles rich. You dont know what size the bleeds are and the gaskets are torn. Spoke with Patrick and he didnt tell you how to lean out the idle? So your calling the tech line later? Who is on the tech line?

Posted By: DodgeCharger

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 03:22 PM

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Patrick called me this morning. They do not offer a 1150 carb. They have 1100's and 1200's. Since my motor makes less than 900 hp he recomends the 1100.
I am going to call the tech line tonight to talk to someone about correcting the rich idle.

If we can get the rich idle cleaned up I will be happy. The carb made really good horsepower on the dyno compared to the other carbs tested.

Iam confused You bought an 1150 got a 1100 because they dont make a 1150. The carb has been on a dyno and makes more horsepower but it idles rich. You dont know what size the bleeds are and the gaskets are torn. Spoke with Patrick and he didnt tell you how to lean out the idle? So your calling the tech line later? Who is on the tech line?

Hopefully Patrick will be the one on the tech line. I am currently at work so I am unable to work on the carb at this time. The techline is availible after hours.
He told me to drill out the idle bleeds but he wants me to try something else first before drilling the bleeds.

Posted By: DodgeCharger

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 03:24 PM

Also the bleeds are all as indicated on the tech sheet and not as labeled. I didn't have a torn gasket that was someone else.

Posted By: mopar dave

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 03:27 PM

prosystems carbs make good power,they just idle too fat in my experiance. i think you'll find the IFR's too big and maybe the IAB's too small for your combo. once you get that right i'm sure you'll be happy. i will say bigs built me a faster carb for my combo and i can talk to him(jesse) personally anytime of the day that i wish to call. good luck

Posted By: HardcoreB

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 03:44 PM

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After reading all of the positive posts on this board I bought a Prosystems carb. I am very disapointed with the carb. I am going to work with them and try to get the issue resolved but after the second contact with them I am not very optimistic. The thing that really turned me off on top of all of the other problems was the fact that I paid around $1,200 for a custom carb that won't idle. It is way to rich. When I check the air bleeds to the spec sheet I find out that they don't match. After talking to Brad at Prosystems he tells me that the bleeds are not as labled they buy #23's in bulk and then drill them to what they need. That to me is unbelievable. I also have a Bigs 1050 and his bleeds are as labled.
I was also informed that the carb is only a 1050 that flows 1100 cfm. When I ordered a 1150 carb.
I already have a Bigs 1050 I don't need another 1050.
I will be calling them again in the morning but from my experience I will have to leave a message and wait for a call back.
I am starting to remember why I lost interest in drag racing the first time and got out for a few years. Who should I talk to to get results?

IMO (based on what you cronicled here) it is premature to throw the companey under the bus. More information about your experience is needed, WAY MORE, before you bias any minds. At this point you may be lucky if you get any satisfaction. Being a carb companey has got to be tuff.

Posted By: poisondart2

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 03:46 PM

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Also the bleeds are all as indicated on the tech sheet and not as labeled. I didn't have a torn gasket that was someone else.

Whoops your right about the gasket My bad

Posted By: DodgeCharger

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 03:56 PM

I don't want to throw them under the bus but their carbs aren't trouble free like I expected. I have come to the conclusion that everything in this hobby requires modifications!

Posted By: Bad340fish

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 05:53 PM

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IMO (based on what you cronicled here) it is premature to throw the companey under the bus. More information about your experience is needed, WAY MORE, before you bias any minds. At this point you may be lucky if you get any satisfaction. Being a carb companey has got to be tuff.

I don't want to throw them under the bus but their carbs aren't trouble free like I expected. I have come to the conclusion that everything in this hobby requires modifications!

Welcome to Hot Rodding

Posted By: Crizila

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/21/10 07:06 PM

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IMO (based on what you cronicled here) it is premature to throw the companey under the bus. More information about your experience is needed, WAY MORE, before you bias any minds. At this point you may be lucky if you get any satisfaction. Being a carb companey has got to be tuff.

I don't want to throw them under the bus but their carbs aren't trouble free like I expected. I have come to the conclusion that everything in this hobby requires modifications!

Welcome to Hot Rodding

Your last sentence is very true - infortunately. On the bright side, I just purchased a Pro Systems 4150 ( 950HP main body ) and fired it up about 15 minutes ago for the first time. It was just about dead nuts on everywhere so far. No leaks. Rear float was a tad high. I went to both sides of their original settings for the idle mixture screws and found their setting to be the best. How they bench did that I don't know ( maybe a lucky guess ), but I'm a happy camper so far. Hopefully get some track time in a few weeks. Went from a 750 to a 950 on my 408 barge. Hope I'm not trading some 60 foot times for a little more mph

Posted By: BSB67

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/22/10 01:47 AM

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IMO (based on what you cronicled here) it is premature to throw the companey under the bus. More information about your experience is needed, WAY MORE, before you bias any minds. At this point you may be lucky if you get any satisfaction. Being a carb companey has got to be tuff.

I don't want to throw them under the bus but their carbs aren't trouble free like I expected. I have come to the conclusion that everything in this hobby requires modifications!

Welcome to Hot Rodding

Let us know, that'll be some good info.

Posted By: Bob_Coomer

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/22/10 02:15 AM

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Patrick called me this morning. They do not offer a 1150 carb. They have 1100's and 1200's. Since my motor makes less than 900 hp he recomends the 1100.
I am going to call the tech line tonight to talk to someone about correcting the rich idle.

If we can get the rich idle cleaned up I will be happy. The carb made really good horsepower on the dyno compared to the other carbs tested.

I know this is a stupid question, but why didnt it get corrected on the dyno? There is no possible way or condition that could have resulted in better opportunity, patrick is good and all, but he is hundreds of miles away making knowledgeable recommendations.
Im sure he will get you lined out, but you missed the perfect chance IMO...
That what dyno'd are for.

If you was un aware, dont use there dyno any more..they operator should have known without question

Posted By: DodgeCharger

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/22/10 02:23 AM

The idle was fine on the dyno. In the car is a different story.

Posted By: 1Fast340

Re: Disappointed with Prosystems! - 10/22/10 02:50 PM

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The idle was fine on the dyno. In the car is a different story.

did you change anything at all from how it was all setup on the dyno compared to in the car? there may be something very simple making a big diference there..