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Re: ? body in white program ? [Re: a12superbee] #83385
07/18/08 07:35 AM
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Just to clarify, this car will only cost 17500 to get back to a usable, stable, clean shell? If so, I think you'll be getting some calls shortly.




This one did need a roof and frame rails, which are extra. We found a complete front clip for $600, have a new roof skin and will be using brand new frame rails in the rear. With all the extras this one will still be under $20K.

Re: ? body in white program ? [Re: John426] #83386
07/18/08 08:04 AM
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Wow! I wouldn't hesitate to do business with anybody who can take a mopar down to THAT and bring it back to life.

Great work!

( still has a some rust where the door hinges bolt on. Mine had that problem too.)

Tav

Re: ? body in white program ? [Re: cataclysm80] #83387
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do u guys pick the cars up and drop them off when there done??? and about how long does it take????

Re: ? body in white program ? [Re: John426] #83389
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John, great explanation. I don't doubt the expertise of you or your crew. My only issue is (not being a rich man) is finding a quality way to do what needs to be done, as easy on my pocket book as possible. I know some of these guys on here won't even blink at the price tag, but for me it is tough to swallow. I guess it is just another indication of how this hobby has grown. I swear stuff is like double what it was 10 years ago but at the same time, 10 years ago most people wouldn't touch half our stuff. I look forward to seeing your stuff at the Nationals (if your going to be there) Been thinking about looking at rotisseries also. But I'm still poor. lol

Re: ? body in white program ? [Re: moparmojo] #83390
07/18/08 09:40 PM
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Re: ? body in white program ? [Re: John426] #83391
07/18/08 11:23 PM
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Nice work, John. I'd love to stop in and see your projects the next time I'm in Raleigh.

Steve

www.clarkclassic.com

Re: ? body in white program ? #83392
07/19/08 09:38 AM
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do u guys pick the cars up and drop them off when there done??? and about how long does it take????




We do pickup and deliver. We have an 24' enclosed trailer, an open trailer and a Dodge Ram Diesel. We only provide pickup / dropoff for customers. Cost hovers around $1.00 per mile, based on fuel costs mostly these days (smile).

Once we have the car back from being stripped and the parts in hand, about 30 days turn around. The stripper can be 6-8 weeks depending on workload and some parts can be hard to source, so plan accordingly!

Keep an eye on the 1970 Challenger RT / SE - we just received the last of the sheetmetal we needed and started seriously working on the car on July 11, it is almost completely disassembled on July 18 and starts being reassembled late next week.

We are also working on an 'ala carte' menu of panel replacement for folks that do not need or want the entire body in white program. Say you just want a trunk floor and drop offs replaced, we'll be able to have a set price for replacing those pieces.

Re: ? body in white program ? [Re: anlauto] #83393
07/19/08 11:15 AM
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What kind of jig do you use to put it together?





And the answer is?????

Re: ? body in white program ? [Re: sixpaktoogo] #83394
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What kind of jig do you use to put it together?




It sounds like a simple enough question, but at the detail level, its complicated. There is no single 'jig' to reassemble a mopar. We use a combination of square and level assemblies (similar in concept to a surface plate you would find in a NASCAR cup fab shop) combined with trammel bars and a lot of measurements.

A lot of the small assemblies (bracket location etc.) might have been jigged at the factory, but its just not practical to build a jig to assemble a small number of cars a year. I would need another storage facility just for all the jigs!)

I think (doing this from memory at home today) that section 23 of the Factory Service Manual is the body section - there are measurements in the manual that call out all the various diagonals and heights etc. for the Mopar unibodies. Those are the "gospel" measurements we use to verify final alignment and fitment.

So the short answer would be; shop made jigs and fixtures together with trammel bars and a lot of measuring - I'm unaware of anything else!!

Re: ? body in white program ? [Re: John426] #83395
07/19/08 01:48 PM
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So the short answer would be; shop made jigs and fixtures together with trammel bars and a lot of measuring - I'm unaware of anything else!!




Ain't that the truth!

Re: ? body in white program ? [Re: sixpaktoogo] #83396
07/19/08 03:19 PM
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What kind of jig do you use to put it together?





And the answer is?????




His answer below is the correct way to repair a unibody. Body shops were of course never expected to have jigs for cars and this is why the factories developed a measurement system for key points on the unibodies, to make sure they were repaired properly without any weak points in the structure, to keep them from folding up on impact.

These measurements are still used today and laser measuring equipment has been arount for at least 20 years for this purpose. In the old days you sometimes had to use string.

Re: ? body in white program ? [Re: Kingy] #83397
07/25/08 05:21 PM
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I think this "body in white" thing is a fantastic program.... Too bad the Barrelcuda is done... would have been a great project to publicize the program and Alan coulda gotten a deal... would have been a great stunt for both parties...

Now if I could just find a cheap rusty Hemicuda...

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