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Passon 5 Speed #802899
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Forgive my absence on the board here lately. I have been buried trying to stay on top of things. I just checked some posts and people were asking about progress on the 5 speed trans.

Well let me assure you that we ARE making progress on it. It has been slower than we wanted. Keep in mind, we started with a clean sheet of paper here. We are a small company and things take time.

This is why my intention from the beginning was not to mention anything until we were closer to production. However, the McLeod M800 thing kinda threw a wrench in that and I felt that I had better mention that we were working on a project so that people knew that another option was coming.

Regardless, in the spring, we had several casting changes to make. These have been made and we are working on the gear interlock mechanism now. We are currently waiting on the shift forks and parts for the interlock mechanism.

We had hoped to have a display piece for the Mopar Nationals, but vendor time frames kept us from accomplishing that.

Yes, this is taking longer than I originally thought. There have been plenty of hiccups along the way. However, due to the fact that there will be no mods needed to install it like some of the other options out there. It is truly an afternoon swap if your car is currently a 4 speed.

I am cleaning out my PM mailbox as soon as I post this. Feel free to contact me with any questions, OR you can always call or e-mail.
Thanks,
Jamie


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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802900
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That good to hear Jamie,...I'd be interested in seeing what you've come up with,....any estimates on weight, just the transmission, and finial OD ratios available?...I'm curious are I'm sure others are




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At this point, .70:1 is final drive. I don't really want to comment on a weight estimate yet.


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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802902
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Still nice to know you are making progress. Looking forward to the final announcement.


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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802903
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Test cars needed???????

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Test cars needed???????







Hmmmmmm,...I got a nice T/A with a stroked small block 443 dynoed horsepower 6 pack, currently chrysler 4 spd with a 2800 lb 11" clutch, if you need someone to thrash one of your test units......I'd have no problem with that

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What do you estimate the torque capacity to be? I'm definately interested if it can handle decent power and truely is a bolt-in kit. I've put 5000 miles on my 71 demon this summer and the 4-spped is killing me on the highway with just a 3.55 gear. Pleas e keep us updated as time/progress allows.


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I see this seems to be more street orientated trans but, forgive me for not looking up the older post, can this thing be used street/strip with slicks and a big block? Just curious on what rating you will be giving it and what kind of car its aimed at. Seems to be lots of choices in the lower hp areana, but less when you build a big block.

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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: Dragula] #802907
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Will stock sb/bb clutch work?

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This unit will certainly be able to be used in a race application. We are looking at being able to handle reasonable torque with the stage 1 unit. I will get back to people on closer numbers when we are further along. The Stage 2 trans will handle more power.

I appreciate all the offers for test cars. We have that pretty well taken care of. We have at least one of each body style here, plus I know other people in warmer climates that can handle "winter" testing because they never see snow. So, we are good I think.

As for standard SB/BB clutch working? I am confused by your question. The clutch required will be your standard garden variety 18 spline clutch and throwout bearing with the appropriate pressure plate of course. One more plus for the consumer. Not being tied to us for a special clutch.

It will be made in both 4.35" and 4.80" bearing retainer. This way, you can bolt it up to ANY stock small block (except OD) or big block bellhousing with NO MODS to your bellhousing.

Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802909
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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802910
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What a wonderful way to spend an afternoon! There's more than a few of us that can hardly wait.


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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802911
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Hi Jamie,

My post is one of the ones I think you were referring to. Anyway, I'm trying to gather parts in anticipation of your trans coming out. Just to be certain, I can purchase a standard A-833 Quicktime bellhousing, a standard LA 360 flywheel, and an 18 spline clutch and T/O bearing and all will be fine, right? Basically all I will need from you is the trans and shifter?



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did i miss it somewhere? but what are the rest of the ratios in the trans?


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I'll have a nice winter project that may be a good place for a stock outward appearing 5 speed. Hopefully to replace the heavyweight 4 speed with NO modifications to the chassis of the intended car. AND still retains the stock factory looking console shifter

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That is correct. The shifter is actually part of the trans. It will be available in press in or bolt on type so that you can use your existing factory 4 speed handle if you desire.
The ratios are as follow:
2.65
1.92
1.40
1.00
.70
Thanks,
jamie


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Quote:

That is correct. The shifter is actually part of the trans. It will be available in press in or bolt on type so that you can use your existing factory 4 speed handle if you desire.
The ratios are as follow:
2.65
1.92
1.40
1.00
.70
Thanks,
jamie




Nice ratio selection, I drove a buddies Keisler equipted, 3.54 geared 440 b-body the other day, and it just felt like the car could use a bit steeper overdrive. Even with 3.54's, when you launch through the gears, you're shifting pretty quickly from 1st through 3rd.

On a track with slicks in the quarter mile it's obviously another story, but in the real world we're talking about top-end speed that is limited only by the car's ability to stay on the road and not start flying.

Wasn't it Richard Petty who said that with 3.54 rear-end gears, his top end was almost unlimited? Imagine if they had this tranmission back in the days of Rapid Transit and Vanishing Point!

Your ratios with the .70 OD sounds perfect, especially with a stroker motor on the freeway these days.

After looking atr the Kiesler website, it seems I was misinformed about the Kiesler 5th gear ratio. Sorry.

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Re: Passon 5 Speed [Re: JamiePasson] #802916
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I remember some time ago that steeper ratios for the lower gears may have been an option. Will there be any possibility of getting something with a steeper 1st gear??


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Quote:

I remember some time ago that steeper ratios for the lower gears may have been an option. Will there be any possibility of getting something with a steeper 1st gear??




You planning on running a 2.26 rear gear or something? 2.65 first gear is fine, anything lower is getting into granny gear territory.


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You planning on running a 2.26 rear gear or something? 2.65 first gear is fine, anything lower is getting into granny gear territory.




Really I run 3.09 first with 4.10 rear and I like the way the car launches

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