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Re: Passon 5 Speed
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
#802939
09/24/10 09:34 AM
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Supercuda
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The m/t specific stuff is not cheap. You're looking a few hundred bucks for a used bell housing if you want a big block unit and/or a blow-proof unit. Few hundred for a decent clutch, couple hundred for a clutch pedal setup, then the linkage, shifter, blah blah blah it goes on and on. I'm in the process of a auto->4sp conversion and the $$ add up fast on this stuff and I've been scrounging for used parts.
I dunno about that, I converted my 87 Diplomat over to stick. The total to switch was under $1000. Ebay and bone yard shopping plus me doing all the work kept it real low. $125 for the trans, Ebay kit to rebuild it, Ebay clutch kit for $100, bone yard for clutch pedal/linkage/floor hump. MP kit to freshen up the linkages, boneyard flywheel out of a V6 Dakota, new Hurst shifter from Summit, bone yard for a drive shaft yoke, new u joints.
I started with nothing for a stick conversion, spent less than $1000 and had a 4 speed with all new or rebuilt (mostly by me) parts in it.
After I got done with the swap I found a package deal on 2.5 A833's, a couple of bells, a big box full of linkages, pedals, clutch stuff, etc for under $300, on Ebay, for my 65 Cuda.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
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Re: Passon 5 Speed
[Re: Supercuda]
#802940
09/24/10 10:27 AM
09/24/10 10:27 AM
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Keisler Sales
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I dunno about that, I converted my 87 Diplomat over to stick. The total to switch was under $1000. Ebay and bone yard shopping plus me doing all the work kept it real low. $125 for the trans, Ebay kit to rebuild it, Ebay clutch kit for $100, bone yard for clutch pedal/linkage/floor hump. MP kit to freshen up the linkages, boneyard flywheel out of a V6 Dakota, new Hurst shifter from Summit, bone yard for a drive shaft yoke, new u joints. You obviously haven't checked out parts for the more popular cars IE: 66-70 B and 70-70 E and 71-74 B cars. Brewers does a complete 4 speed swap for The mid 4k range. Our pricing to do a FORD trans not Gm trans into most of the popular Mopars is around $5300 including hydraulic it actually doesn't save money to go mechanical because all the parts involved. We have a very complete kit right down to every nut bolt ans washer even the factory boots and trim rings. All you need to install ours is Beer and band aids.   Good luck Jamie!!
Keisler Engineering www.keislerauto.com#1 Choice of Overdrive Transmissions with Over 14,000 Sold
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Re: Passon 5 Speed
[Re: Keisler Sales]
#802942
09/24/10 02:32 PM
09/24/10 02:32 PM
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Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo
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I dunno about that, I converted my 87 Diplomat over to stick.
Apples to oranges my friend. Just try finding junkyard parts for any of the popular muscle era cars. Not gonna happen. I scrounged for used stuff and the cost still adds up. There are no cheap big block bellhousings and no $100 new ebay clutch will hold up behind a strong 440 for a run down the track. I can convert an 80's fwd turbo mopar from auto to stick for a couple hundred bucks including the price of a new clutch. Can't even compare the two.
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Re: Passon 5 Speed
[Re: jbc426]
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09/24/10 03:58 PM
09/24/10 03:58 PM
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jbc426
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.....600 lb/ft of torque should not be a problem at all.
600 lb/ft? I was hoping it would handle somewhere in the 700lb/ft range. I've got 680b/ft with a relatively mild, hydraulicly cammed 493 inch motor. Do you think that your new transmission will handle it ok?
Perhaps a better question is at 600ft lb/ft; relatively speaking, does that make the new 5 speed unit stronger than an 18 spline or are they about the same?
Last edited by jbc426; 09/25/10 07:26 AM.
1970 Plymouth 'Cuda #'s 440-6(block in storage)currently 493" 6 pack, Shaker, 5 speed Passon, 4.10's
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Re: Passon 5 Speed
[Re: jbc426]
#802945
09/24/10 10:16 PM
09/24/10 10:16 PM
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Great Job , Keep plugging , too bad the post got jacked for a second .  Ok . Ill stop .. Can I trade in and upgrade from my "NEVER INSTALLED YET BECAUSE I KEEP GETTING DISTRACTED By other car projects " passon 4 speed OD ?  Im almost there ..BUT, I think Im getting distracted from my road car again . 
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Re: Passon 5 Speed
[Re: JamiePasson]
#802952
09/25/10 07:26 PM
09/25/10 07:26 PM
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theclutcher
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Same ratios as street trans plus od. Far removed from red stripe spread. Can understand the marketing to larger group of potential buyers (street) vs (race). Personally, Id just bolt on a gear vendors unit if I was so desperate for od, cheaper by a couple of grand. Modifying sheetmetal not a concern here. Sounds interesting tho and they will sell. Good luck.
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Re: Passon 5 Speed
[Re: roadrunninMark]
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09/26/10 04:37 PM
09/26/10 04:37 PM
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Whats the chance of shelving the 5 speed idea and switching right to making it a 6 speed? hmmmmmmm......... 
whats the gain?
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Re: Passon 5 Speed
[Re: LimeliteAero]
#802955
09/26/10 04:52 PM
09/26/10 04:52 PM
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Whats the chance of shelving the 5 speed idea and switching right to making it a 6 speed? hmmmmmmm.........
whats the gain?
More costly to built and buy.
Hey 6 is better that 5, right?
Seriously, I'm sure there is some little amount of fuel economy to be gained from an extra gear, but I don't see that justifing the extra cost and possibly/probably tighter fitment.
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Re: Passon 5 Speed
[Re: roadrunninMark]
#802957
09/26/10 09:35 PM
09/26/10 09:35 PM
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Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo
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tighter gear ratios, more versatility... lot of car companies are going with 6 speed manuals / 7 speed automatics. Must be something to it.
Basically because they're not building for muscle car guys. 6 speeds usually have two overdrive gears instead of one like a 5-sp. If the extra overdrive gear is just there to lessen the drop in rpm between 4th gear(1:1 ratio) and overdrive, I don't see the point. I could see this irritating some yuppie driving a lexus but it wouldn't matter to me.
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Re: Passon 5 Speed
[Re: sogtx]
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09/26/10 10:33 PM
09/26/10 10:33 PM
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Same situation for me, new gears are in the tranny, but the new tranny's will probably be ready before I have the Charger back together again.
70 Go Mango Charger RT
White Vinyl Top
18 Spline 4 speed
Lakewood Scatter Shield/ Centerforce DF Clutch, Hydraulic bearing
505 Stroker, dual 600's, hyd roller cam - 525 hp, 640 torque
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