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will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? #798046 09/10/10 04:29 PM 09/10/10 04:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,161 DELAWARE TONY_DAGOSTINO OP master
TONY_DAGOSTINO OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,161 DELAWARE	hi i have a car here that the brakes are giving us fits it pulls to the right all brake items have been replaced, the lines blown out, etc just noticed the rf upper control arm bushing is pretty well worn, + the left front upper control arm bushing has some wear to it. have any of you any experiance with worn upper control arm bushings making the brakes pull? btw, it goes down the road straight, + doesnt make any nnoises and turns normally www.TONYSPARTS.COM

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #798047 09/10/10 04:32 PM 09/10/10 04:32 PM
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rhad super stock Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 954 garnett kansas	did you replace the rubber flex hoses on the front?,if not thats where i would start

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #798048 09/10/10 04:36 PM 09/10/10 04:36 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	yes,worn bushing will let the control arm move around throwing the alinment off and pull when on the brakes if it spits the rubber all the way out it will stay out of alinement and get a clunking sound when on/off the brakes if its worn and the bolt is off center in the rubber bushing they need replaced(crushed/worn/sagging) new bushing tighten up a front end a whole lot when all the BJ and bushings are done at the same time...dont forget..the strut rod bushing could be worn and let it move around also they are over looked a lot when trouble shooting front end work make sure the rear drums are spooned up = on both sides while your at it,IMHO

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: rhad] #798049 09/10/10 04:36 PM 09/10/10 04:36 PM
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TONY_DAGOSTINO OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,161 DELAWARE	yes, the rubber hoses, brake valves, wheel cylinders front + rear were changed the fluid pressure is great and consistent all the way around www.TONYSPARTS.COM

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #798050 09/10/10 05:31 PM 09/10/10 05:31 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,312 SoCal 68HemiB master
68HemiB master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,312 SoCal	A car that pulls under braking typically has a. A significant difference side-to-side in coefficient of friction and/or b. A significant difference side-to-side in effective fluid pressure reaching the calipers/brake cylinders and/or c. A significant difference side-to-side in caster. If the car does not exhibit any pull when not under braking, this would generally require a significant shift in caster when applying the brakes. Does the front end "clunk" or show wheel shift when observed from outside when the brakes are applied? If the answer is no, then your problem more likely lies in area a. or b. above. Which is not to say that worn front-end parts shouldn't be addressed at some point... Down to just a blue car now.

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: 68HemiB] #798051 09/10/10 06:03 PM 09/10/10 06:03 PM
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TONY_DAGOSTINO OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,161 DELAWARE	HI no clunking at all is heard the rf wheel will lock up (the wheel cylinders were replaced twice) if not holding the wheel, when you hit the brakes hard it will turn to the right it goes down the road straight + doesnt pull when you let off of the wheel, until you hit the brakes www.TONYSPARTS.COM

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #798052 09/10/10 06:13 PM 09/10/10 06:13 PM
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68HemiB master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 9,312 SoCal	Sounds like a. or b., then. You say "wheel cylinders", so we're talking front drums? If so, make sure there isn't some bonehead oops like reversed primary/secondary shoe positions. Remember that secondary [rear] shoes are typically darker and/or longer. Regardless of the brake type, consider swapping the front hard parts and shoes/pads side-to-side. If the pull stays the same, chase hydraulics. If the pull jumps to the other side, chase lining contamination and hard part surface quality. Down to just a blue car now.

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: 68HemiB] #798053 09/10/10 06:15 PM 09/10/10 06:15 PM
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scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	spoon opposite side up some yea what he said..drums on the front

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #798054 09/10/10 06:23 PM 09/10/10 06:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,943 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,943 Grand Prairie,Texas	Just remember drum brakes are like a mullet. Short in front long in back.

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: 68HemiB] #798055 09/10/10 09:17 PM 09/10/10 09:17 PM
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TONY_DAGOSTINO OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,161 DELAWARE	great input, thanks guys were changing the upper control arm bushings now, figure they should be done anyway, whether theyre the problem or not i just went out and checked out some of the brake checks i made on a concrete pad that shows skid marks alot better than asphalt the 2 rears skidded evenly, the right front skidded alittle more than the rears, no skid mark from the left front yes, the shoes are on correctly, learned about self energizing shoes in my preteen years "Regardless of the brake type, consider swapping the front hard parts and shoes/pads side-to-side. If the pull stays the same, chase hydraulics. If the pull jumps to the other side, chase lining contamination and hard part surface quality. " exactly what we were going to try after we did the upper control arm bushings thanks again, ill keep ya posted www.TONYSPARTS.COM

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #798056 09/10/10 10:20 PM 09/10/10 10:20 PM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida S scratchnfotraction I Live Here
scratchnfotraction I Live Here S Joined: May 2003 Posts: 15,487 Florida	spoon the one with no skid up some that should get it turned around JK ya drums x4 are a little horse and buggy for now days,differant methed thats almost forgotten now days

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #798057 09/10/10 10:51 PM 09/10/10 10:51 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,442 It's a dry heat gtx6970 Too Many Posts
gtx6970 Too Many Posts Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 21,442 It's a dry heat	any worn ft end part will cause braking issues. ck the strut rod and lower control arm bushings as well. also ck the idler and pitman arms like said if everything is good, and you still have brake pull issues, swap the shoes and see what it gets you

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes p [Re: gtx6970] #798058 09/11/10 08:37 PM 09/11/10 08:37 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio	Quote: any worn ft end part will cause braking issues. ck the strut rod and lower control arm bushings as well. also ck the idler and pitman arms like said if everything is good, and you still have brake pull issues, swap the shoes and see what it gets you I changed my strut rods to the RM units and it changed the braking like night and day I think struts have more to do with brake pull than any other suspension component Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #798059 09/11/10 08:48 PM 09/11/10 08:48 PM
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BigTerry master B Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,688 Alexandria,La.	my 2 cents on the rubber brake line!

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: rhad] #798060 09/13/10 10:16 AM 09/13/10 10:16 AM
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MLR426 master M Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 4,799 ILL	Quote: did you replace the rubber flex hoses on the front?,if not thats where i would start That is were I would start. Recently worked on a car with pulling brakes and the rubber hoses were bad as well as a few wheel cylinders. logan426

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: MLR426] #798061 09/13/10 01:58 PM 09/13/10 01:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,161 DELAWARE TONY_DAGOSTINO OP master
TONY_DAGOSTINO OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,161 DELAWARE	hi in the begining of the thread i had posted that all 3 rubber lines were changed (2 front + 1 rear) thanks again tony www.TONYSPARTS.COM

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #798062 09/13/10 05:47 PM 09/13/10 05:47 PM
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rp23g7 member Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 188 Lynnwood Washington	Yes it would, i just finished this project. My left lower bushing was shot, it was spinning in the bore, thus causing my strut rod bushing to wear, Mine would clunk and when it did the steering would change due to the shifting around of the lower control arm. Afer replacing the bushing it steers like a dream now. I just drove it 400 miles, gonns check everything to see if its tight still and go get the alignment checked one more time

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #798063 09/19/10 12:15 PM 09/19/10 12:15 PM
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TONY_DAGOSTINO OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,161 DELAWARE	got it it was the brake shoes they were like new, not stained or showing any signs of not being good switched the shoes from left to right, + it pulled to the left instead of the right so we replaced with a new set, now it stops straight i have never run across that before thanks for the help tony www.TONYSPARTS.COM

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #798064 09/19/10 12:20 PM 09/19/10 12:20 PM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,468 So Cal	Do you think they might have been differnt brands/types from left to right. Like someone just did one side? Think something could got on the shoes once and was cleaned or burned off? Weird one. Quote: got it it was the brake shoes they were like new, not stained or showing any signs of not being good switched the shoes from left to right, + it pulled to the left instead of the right so we replaced with a new set, now it stops straight i have never run across that before thanks for the help tony

Re: will worn upper ctrl arm bushings make the brakes pull? [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #798065 09/19/10 11:23 PM 09/19/10 11:23 PM
Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 654 MN astrobuf mopar
astrobuf mopar Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 654 MN	Quote: got it it was the brake shoes they were like new, not stained or showing any signs of not being good switched the shoes from left to right, + it pulled to the left instead of the right so we replaced with a new set, now it stops straight i have never run across that before thanks for the help tony So, I wonder of the issue is that the left and right show set had different arc's on them. A factory griding error couldhave miss-arc'd one of the primary shoes and you'd then end up with a pull untill it wore in. Not a contamination problem, probably a production problem! Astrobuf So, are you really a Rocket Scientist?

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