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Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: CompWedgeEngines] #782304 09/01/10 12:27 PM 09/01/10 12:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,930 Odessa, Tx. cudarex master
cudarex master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,930 Odessa, Tx.	Quote: That is correct, and your part numbers are correct. I posted way back in the post the part numbers for new stud kits. I dont think the side bolts are of any issue. Everyone can make up there own mind, make their decision based on whatever it is thats important to them, and move on. I am burying this dead horse from my perspective, because their still seems to be people that dont believe this is an issue or dont believe the findings. We all have our own opinions and choices. Good luck to all. Todd, are you having to rehone the blocks

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Teamx] #782305 09/01/10 04:46 PM 09/01/10 04:46 PM
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 728 Central TEXAS!!!! sr4440 super stock
sr4440 super stock Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 728 Central TEXAS!!!!	Quote: OK, I have done some research on these main studs.If you already have the ARP cross bolts and ARP nuts on the "no name" studs, you can replace the main studs with ARP #AR4.620-1LB X 8 and #AR4.400-1LB X 2. I did a google search and vendors have them for aprox. $5.50 each. Teamx thanks for the part numbers, I ordered the studs online and they will be shipped to my door for under $55. I can�t believe all the ill will that World is willing to endure over $50, this has to be one of the dumbest business decisions I have ever seen. Joe Without Data, you’re just another guy with an opinion.

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: sr4440] #782306 09/01/10 06:12 PM 09/01/10 06:12 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,045 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,045 S.E. Michigan	If a guy didn't know any better, he'd think the stud part numbers must be wrong because World Products lists both studs being compatable with two different Chevy blocks but not anything else... http://www.worldcastings.com/images/ARP%20WORLD%20MASTER%20KIT.pdf So, as it turns out they had the right studs the whole time. Per R--, the machine shop (neither owned nor operated by World Products), proper stud torque is 85 ft lbs with moly. This is the torque spec used when the blocks are align honed. The machine shop has never broken a stud at 85 ft lbs, ever. However, World's info from 4 years ago stated the torque spec is 100 ft lbs with no lube recommendation, somehow that got carried over to I sheets and is in the process of being corrected. Per the machine shop, the supplier of the no name main studs is (guess who?) World Products. Shifting the blame to "the foundry" earlier in this thread was pretty funny. A foundry doesn't use any fasteners at all, so how was it their fault? And the foundry mark on my iron block is "DF" (with a backwards "D".....I'm pretty sure the Da---- Foundry isn't owned or operated by World Products either, and I'm pretty sure they are using Chrysler's million dollar tooling to produce the engine blocks we are discussing here. So this all leaves me to wonder: What exactly was the point of using ARP nuts, but nothing else? Was the belief generic Mc Master Carr hardware is good enough for us Mopar guys, but only beloved Chevy customers get the GOOD hardware? Or was it since the block says Mopar on it, the assumption was people would just blame Mopar for the garbage hardware? I think we can all see how that deal worked out, and I think we all know who's at fault here. I can't share any more of the research I've done on this topic, however I've looked into it far enough to see that it stinks to high heaven. I know where I'll stand when it comes time to weigh in on this supplier at work. Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: ZIPPY] #782307 09/01/10 08:20 PM 09/01/10 08:20 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,090 north cakalaky I instigator super stock
instigator super stock I Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,090 north cakalaky	I bought some studs and nuts fro, mcmastercarr not long ago...they came in ARP! 65 Barracuda All aluminum Indy HEMI with some boost! COMING TO A TRACK NEAR YOU!

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: instigator] #782308 09/01/10 08:58 PM 09/01/10 08:58 PM
Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,288 Oregon sg66mopar pro stock
sg66mopar pro stock Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,288 Oregon	Just got off the phone with my engine builder. He looked at the studs out of my World block and they're not ARP. He did say that they torqued OK when he assembled the motor but we both think the cap walk I've had could have been partly caused by the studs. So whatever I end up doing for a new motor, it's gonna have ARPs.

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: sg66mopar] #782309 09/01/10 09:21 PM 09/01/10 09:21 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	My spec sheet says torque to 100 ft.lbs. with oil. Could this be where the stretched studs are coming from? 85ft.lbs. with ARP lube. Someone using the 100 ft.lbs. torque with ARP lube? it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: rowin4] #782310 09/02/10 01:11 AM 09/02/10 01:11 AM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,880 USA Ron Silva top fuel
Ron Silva top fuel Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,880 USA	Quote: My spec sheet says torque to 100 ft.lbs. with oil. Could this be where the stretched studs are coming from? 85ft.lbs. with ARP lube. Someone using the 100 ft.lbs. torque with ARP lube? I think you might have something there. A malfunction of all the people complaining on here. I will admit I have not read every post but I bet you guys are burying world over something that is not even a valid problem on their part. My MOPAR R3 Race Block was supplied with normal production type grade 8 Bolts and mopar would not send it out like that if it would automatically blow up using the supplied hardware. In that case I would use oil as lube and torque to factory specs or the specs in the instruction sheet. Common sense. If I wanted I could upgrade to ARP hardware and use more clamping load and re-hone the mains. The ARP studs are 200K tensile strength and I am sure the supplied fasteners were not that strong. "BUT", that does not mean that they are junk or chinese made etc. A lot of you guys should be ashamed talking like that. I am fairly confident if you built your motor with the supplied hardware and followed the instructions your motor would be fine. If you are going to build big power then upgrading the hardware is your descision as it is with ANY engine build. SRT DEMON ONE SEAT

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Ron Silva] #782311 09/02/10 08:15 AM 09/02/10 08:15 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida P Performance Only top fuel
Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	Quote: Quote: My spec sheet says torque to 100 ft.lbs. with oil. Could this be where the stretched studs are coming from? 85ft.lbs. with ARP lube. Someone using the 100 ft.lbs. torque with ARP lube? I think you might have something there. A malfunction of all the people complaining on here. I will admit I have not read every post but I bet you guys are burying world over something that is not even a valid problem on their part. that's a strange way of looking at things. World supplied the block, the fasteners and the spec sheet. are you suggesting that every person that has had issues with the supplied studs either over torqued them, or somehow made them magically stretch like silly putty why??? i guess the problem is now solved. nobody knows how to properly assemble an engine. amazing... machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Ron Silva] #782312 09/02/10 08:36 AM 09/02/10 08:36 AM
Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 728 Central TEXAS!!!! sr4440 super stock
sr4440 super stock Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 728 Central TEXAS!!!!	Quote: Quote: My spec sheet says torque to 100 ft.lbs. with oil. Could this be where the stretched studs are coming from? 85ft.lbs. with ARP lube. Someone using the 100 ft.lbs. torque with ARP lube? I think you might have something there. A malfunction of all the people complaining on here. I will admit I have not read every post but I bet you guys are burying world over something that is not even a valid problem on their part. when i 1st read your post, i thought, maybe you should have read a little more before posting. I am sure all the engine builders will take exception to what you said. this reminds me of a quote "i don't know what happen" in the same breath "the police acted stupidly" Joe Without Data, you’re just another guy with an opinion.

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: sr4440] #782313 09/02/10 08:54 AM 09/02/10 08:54 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,664 North Sweden R RT540 top fuel
RT540 top fuel R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,664 North Sweden	I have read all posts on this thread and I can�t see anything wrong with the critic. Most mopar BB suffers from bad cap walk, even at low hp so these studs are probably one of the worst ones to downgrade quality on. If you could use even higher quality material like in the 2k2 rod bolts, and the torque could be increased. It should help reduce the cap walk. World did just the opposite

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: RT540] #782314 09/02/10 01:24 PM 09/02/10 01:24 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo. S supercomp master
supercomp master S Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo.	How you doing Tom?

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: supercomp] #782315 09/02/10 02:03 PM 09/02/10 02:03 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,664 North Sweden R RT540 top fuel
RT540 top fuel R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,664 North Sweden	Hi Allen, I am doing fine, thanks for asking, don�t post much right now,but I will get better at posting, once I have some progress on my own to show

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Ron Silva] #782316 09/02/10 07:56 PM 09/02/10 07:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 165 Florida S snook member
snook member S Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 165 Florida	John Doe huh?

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: snook] #782317 09/03/10 09:08 AM 09/03/10 09:08 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida P Performance Only top fuel
Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	Quote: John Doe huh? could have changed it to something like; "i said something really dumb and now i want to hide" machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Performance Only] #782318 09/03/10 09:39 AM 09/03/10 09:39 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	Quote: Quote: John Doe huh? could have changed it to something like; "i said something really dumb and now i want to hide" I think he own's a large CI small block

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Challenger340] #782319 09/07/10 11:14 PM 09/07/10 11:14 PM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 939 glendora, ca. D Deepockets super stock
Deepockets super stock D Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 939 glendora, ca.	this is a good one. on my aluminum block ( not assembled yet) i was given 2 arp main studs and the rest are the unknown brand. i did order from summit today the full set of arp's. summit has them as out of stock, but arp has plenty of them. they had arp drop ship them to me a no extra charge. ...............the saga continues

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Deepockets] #782320 09/08/10 04:45 PM 09/08/10 04:45 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	I bet they would be out of stock after every one that found out they had crap studs in their World Products blocks. Should have bought stock in ARP. it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: rowin4] #782321 09/15/10 04:02 PM 09/15/10 04:02 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 488 D Dyno1 mopar
Dyno1 mopar D Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 488	Any new news? Dyno

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Dyno1] #782322 09/30/10 06:35 PM 09/30/10 06:35 PM
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moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	bump for an update!... Mopar Performance

Re: World Aluminum Block Main Studs CAUTION [Re: Teamx] #782323 09/30/10 06:43 PM 09/30/10 06:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S. M moparniac master
moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	Quote: OK, I have done some research on these main studs.If you already have the ARP cross bolts and ARP nuts on the "no name" studs, you can replace the main studs with ARP #AR4.620-1LB X 8 and #AR4.400-1LB X 2. I did a google search and vendors have them for aprox. $5.50 each. has anyone ordered these yet and to be the correct part numbers Mopar Performance

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