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Re: Dyno'd my 440 and was disappointed - Questions question [Re: mark7171] #770026
08/15/10 02:19 AM
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"The 440 performer is much better than a CH4"
Timing, dead spark plug, and you ran it out on the dyno?

packages take out the guess work. Use them.

The CH4 intake is a great intake with a AVS carb, mild cam 440 2.76-3.23 gears.




With the Performer I have to run a 2" air filter(opposed to a 2.5") to clear the Air Grabber box. People told me there wasn't a lower intake so its good news for me about the CH4B and Weiand 8009. Maybe that extra breathing room with the proper filter will make up for any possible lost power with the lower rise intakes.

The car's running 3.55's, and I might bump it up to 3.73.

And...I didn't know the plug was dead on the dyno run. Another mechanic afterward said he noticed it had an intermittant miss and showed me the plug which the ceramic could spin in the casing. Like someone else said, maybe they couldn't hear it do to the rough idle.


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Re: Dyno'd my 440 and was disappointed - Questions question [Re: Crizila] #770027
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Supposedly the old MP formulas for figuring horsepower by (1) trap speed (MPH) (2) weight and (3) maybe a third one: were simple but were proven to be very accurate. As said I'd fix the dead hole and yes street dominator intakes are very low profile


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Re: Dyno'd my 440 and was disappointed - Questions question [Re: RapidRobert] #770028
08/15/10 12:25 PM
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Supposedly the old MP formulas for figuring horsepower by (1) trap speed (MPH) (2) weight and (3) maybe a third one: were simple but were proven to be very accurate. As said I'd fix the dead hole and yes street dominator intakes are very low profile




yes fix the dead cylinder. My fuzzy math is this. You made 279hp on 7, so that's about 39.8571 each hole... so we will round up to 40 each. So add 40 to your 279 and you get 339 at the tires so that's probably close to 425 at the block. does that sound better to you?

Re: Dyno'd my 440 and was disappointed - Questions question [Re: Mr.Yuck] #770029
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yes fix the dead cylinder. My fuzzy math is this. You made 279hp on 7, so that's about 39.8571 each hole... so we will round up to 40 each. So add 40 to your 279 and you get 339 at the tires so that's probably close to 425 at the block. does that sound better to you?




40 + 279 is 339?? Must work for the gub'mnt... Some kind of voodoo economics?

Re: Dyno'd my 440 and was disappointed - Questions question [Re: Mr.Yuck] #770030
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yes fix the dead cylinder. My fuzzy math is this. You made 279hp on 7, so that's about 39.8571 each hole... so we will round up to 40 each. So add 40 to your 279 and you get 339 at the tires so that's probably close to 425 at the block. does that sound better to you?




I didn't know it worked like that. If its kickin out anything above 370 (stock hp), I'm over the moon.

Here's a guy with basically my set up and ported 906's pulling only 20 more whp. I'm going to give my car a hug.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?topic=14847.0


There's no way I can get a Street Dominator under the hood. The Performer is too tall at 4.8" and the Street Dominator is 5.25", plus I'd prefer to make more torque than top end. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Do you guys think I'm suffocating the engine at all by running a .5" lower air filter?

I'm sure you've all seen the Airgrabber air cleaner lids where they hang down over the air filters. On mine there's only 3/4" of white filter showing, although the air can get up in behind the lid. Still it would seem to me a lot more breathing area than those little holes silenced/snorkle air cleaners have to breath through. If you do, I'll start shopping for a Weiand Action Plus or CH4B.

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Re: Dyno'd my 440 and was disappointed - Questions question [Re: NOrrTH] #770031
08/15/10 06:21 PM
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The 8008/8009 is the next step. The 440 Weiand Action + sacrifices nothing, and might gain some mid range.

Unless, you try to "carb pad mill" the performer . Easy to shave off .25" of raised material from body.

The Action plus can be pad milled to less height than OEM.

Re: Dyno'd my 440 and was disappointed - Questions question [Re: mark7171] #770032
08/16/10 07:57 AM
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Surprised that no one here mentioned this, or maybe they did and i missed it... but keep in mind your 280HP (which we've now guesstimated to be over 300HP with all 8 firing) cannot be compared to the 500HP number you see posted so often here. RWHP vs crank HP. That 500HP 440 build will not be anywhere near that on the same chassis dyno you just used. A 500RWHP Mopar would be one mean-ass big block.

I would have suggested possibly modifying a Street Dominator intake (trimming the pad) and possibly even modifying the air cleaner if possible, but i doubt that would work for one reason, in MY experience, that intake barely even works without a spacer on top. Mine is 1" and i'm willing to bet it wants more. Maybe my combo is goofy, but that spacer is mandatory. So obviously that wouldn't work at all for you.

Someone here said that the Performer (or similar) intake is no improvement, i disagree. The weight is the improvement. Mopars are too heavy, a bunch off the front end is always a good thing.

Also, whoever told you to get 906's shouldn't be telling anyone what to do. Its pretty much the same head you have, just more expensive to buy used. If you're going to rebuild the engine (read: buy new MODERN pistons) then maybe get some ported 915's or aftermarket aluminum, if not, either port yours or leave it alone.

I personally like the Holley DP design more than the Edelbrock/Carter carb, but i've used both and the latter is fine. That engine probably wants a bigger carb though. Mine wanted more than an open, stub-stacked 750 Holley, and it was considerably less modified than yours. Mine also liked 94 octane. It was a low-compression 440 too, go figure. These engines are not efficient in design...

I'm with Sheldon though, sounds like with a really good tune, recurved distributor and just some good attention to detail in the powertrain from front to back this thing will keep you happy. Though i'd recommend a mandrel bent, aftermarket 3" exhaust system... that'll put a big stupid grin on your face that wont leave for a week...

Heh... and for all the posters suggesting you take it to the track, you might wanna remind them that in this idiot province (i live here too), Nanaimo might as well be 500 miles from Mission Raceways, with those insane ferry prices. It might be a bit cheaper to the Sunshine Coast, but then thats only an 1/8th mile track...

Re: Dyno'd my 440 and was disappointed - Questions question [Re: Crunchy_Frog] #770033
08/16/10 08:15 AM
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yes fix the dead cylinder. My fuzzy math is this. You made 279hp on 7, so that's about 39.8571 each hole... so we will round up to 40 each. So add 40 to your 279 and you get 339 at the tires so that's probably close to 425 at the block. does that sound better to you?




40 + 279 is 339?? Must work for the gub'mnt... Some kind of voodoo economics?




WHOOPS MUST NOT OF HAD ENOUGH COFFEE...HAHA Ok 319 still close to 400 at the crank. TFF I DO work for uncle Sam...nothing to do with numbers through.

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