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Re: new b/rb timing cover by clevland speed and machin
[Re: hemi471]
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06/21/10 11:13 PM
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I hardly think Andyf's cover is junk, but in all fairness, Andy must have bought a cover that wasn't up to his liking and set forth to make one to what he thought was the perfect cover. Now this guy buy's Andy's cover, makes a few changes, put's Andy's cover up for sale, and stated it was Andy's cover at a lower price [ oh, I sold that one but I got another that looks almost the same ] Kinda shady advertising in my book.  
it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead
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Re: new b/rb timing cover by clevland speed and machin
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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06/22/10 06:03 AM
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... (look at
the Chinese)they dont even reverse engineer it, they
just down right copy it
And do a pisspoor job of it in the process 
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Re: new b/rb timing cover by clevland speed and machin
[Re: B G Racing]
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06/22/10 08:06 PM
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if I need anything better I'am going gear drive or belt drive.At $300 a cover I would spend a little more and get a lot more than a pretty cover.
my thought's exactly. by the time you pay for a nice timing set which may or may not include attaching hardware and/or thrust control then buy a billet cover you're getting close to the cost of a milodon gear drive 
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Re: new b/rb timing cover by clevland speed and machin
[Re: 71TA]
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06/22/10 08:16 PM
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There's no question of the quality of Andys parts and his cost is not being questioned,just stating comments on the issues,the choises and my views.I'am not trying to influence anyones decision as to where to buy and how much to pay.Since the issue was brought to the site,then expect and respect others views or keep it off the site.There are other ways of communicating,phone,email,pm or etc.It's no ones business till it goes public,then everyone has the right to their views,good or bad.It'a all fun and games untill someone gets pissed off.  
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Re: new b/rb timing cover by clevland speed and machin
[Re: B G Racing]
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06/22/10 11:41 PM
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It's no ones business till it goes public,then everyone has the right to their views,good or bad.It'a all fun and games untill someone gets pissed off. good advise everyone should read this. but someone always gets pissed off. 
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Re: new b/rb timing cover by clevland speed and machin
[Re: HEMI472]
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06/23/10 01:24 AM
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Hello, Some of the comments are partially true. What I see blatantly missing in areas is ethics in this post and any other about this type of controversy. OH yea. Legally we can do this and that and avoid the legal wrongdoing. I think this is humanities undoing. What the heck does it have to do with right and wrong? Have we degraded ourselves to such low standards! That was rhetorical, I know the answer. But it is ok to buy a part to SEPCIFICALLY COPY it because it is the best that is out there, call it less than desirable when we get caught because it fits our purpose, and then duplicate it with some changes to circumvent the legal implications. Then we can all say it is just our opinion and be legally correct. Just because it IS part of our system of government does not make it acceptable to be a THEIF FROM AN ETHICAL POINT OF VIEW. Where the hell is ethics in America? That is the core subject of this thread since it turned rough and no one has spoken a word about this root concern. If Americans would stand up for what is Just and Good without referring to the law and how they can circumvent an issue or how someone is correct because it is allowed by the law I think we Americans would benefit greatly. Dam’ it how did we get to such low places in our thinking. Damon 
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Re: new b/rb timing cover by clevland speed and machin
[Re: mopardamo]
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06/23/10 01:58 AM
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on my to-do list;
remember to get mad at all those H beam rod manufacturers for "stealing" the design, supposedly improving it, and then selling them to me.
remember to get mad at the manufacturers of cylinder heads like edelbrock, 440 source, pro comp etc. for all the same reasons.
remember to get mad at all the crankshaft manufacturers for,
awe heck, this post could get really long, but whose got the time...
i just don't see what all the fuss is about. somebody makes a timing cover and the world is coming to an end. does that mean that anybody that makes a billet timing cover is stealing somebody else's design, even though the only similarity is that it has an access plate and it's billit aluminum, even though the rest of the cover looks and is totally different?
looking at it from a different perspective, how many times have you purchased something and thought to yourself, "if i would have built it, i would have made it differently"?????
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Re: new b/rb timing cover by clevland speed and machin
[Re: mopardamo]
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06/23/10 04:15 AM
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Hello,
Some of the comments are partially true. What I see blatantly missing in areas is ethics in this post and any other about this type of controversy. OH yea. Legally we can do this and that and avoid the legal wrongdoing. I think this is humanities undoing. What the heck does it have to do with right and wrong? Have we degraded ourselves to such low standards! That was rhetorical, I know the answer.
But it is ok to buy a part to SEPCIFICALLY COPY it because it is the best that is out there, call it less than desirable when we get caught because it fits our purpose, and then duplicate it with some changes to circumvent the legal implications. Then we can all say it is just our opinion and be legally correct. Just because it IS part of our system of government does not make it acceptable to be a THEIF FROM AN ETHICAL POINT OF VIEW. Where the hell is ethics in America? That is the core subject of this thread since it turned rough and no one has spoken a word about this root concern. If Americans would stand up for what is Just and Good without referring to the law and how they can circumvent an issue or how someone is correct because it is allowed by the law I think we Americans would benefit greatly. Dam’ it how did we get to such low places in our thinking.
Damon
Good gosh Gerty  Lets not forget how our great country got started:lies,cheating,slavery,persicution,stealing from the native Americans,revolution and out right murder,just to name a few.That someone feels they got screwed by some one maybe we should hang them like we did horse thiefs.All this drama for what?It's the American way"competitive free market.If you want to be pissed at some one look at our great president who is screwing everyone of us,now that's a cause for revolution not a billit timing cover.  I agree with Dram,"get over it" and move on.
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Same situation there. 
