Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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05/30/10 10:53 AM
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hayden 2765
About the shortest clutch fan you will find.
Thanks, i'll right that down.
Feets, yeah i agree, that area is a support structure, that lip is cridical for that upper rail, plus it looks "tacky" doing that, thats why it'll never happen for me, the only reason i'm even messing with this is to free up some HP, especially after hearing these solid fans rob a good 18-20, i knew they robbed power, but not that much.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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To those of you who have cut your core supports, ..... those are structural elements in the design of the car.... they tie the two sides of the car together....these cars were made with floppy flexy chassis.... a collision on a weakened chassis could make a repairable hit into one that totals the car....you essentially have nothing preventing the tops of the fenders from collapsing into the middle of the car.
That would have been good info ... yesterday morning, pre-Sawzall.
I'm sure it weakens the structure a little, but in a frontal impact I don't see a missing strip of thin sheetmetal 1/2" wide making the difference whether the car; or driver; survives the event.
In the case of an a-body Barracuda, installing a fiberglass header panel would weaken it much more in the same area.
If my fenders collapse, I'll post pics!
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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05/30/10 02:22 PM
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I took off a junkyard fan/clutch from a 80's v6. I had a mile of room with my combo. The HHR lookd to be a bit tight with a stock rad and a big block. I agree again with feets about compromising the upper support, but I do think our mopars are sturdy cars- especially when compared to similar era unibodies.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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05/30/10 02:49 PM
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Here is mine I think I need to fix the shroud though.
I don't think I have 4 inches to the radiator
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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Here is mine I think I need to fix the shroud though.
I don't think I have 4 inches to the radiator
That's about the same amount of room I had with a 7-blade clutch fan. There are actually some marks in the radiator where they had touched, but that's the way it was when I got the car so I don't know how it happened.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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05/30/10 05:05 PM
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Here is a couple ways of doing this. I got the 19" version (I have solid motor mounts) of this... http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HDA-3618/If no one can help you out you can order this or click on the application chart and you will see 10 pages of cars you can find this fan off of that will fit the standard fan clutch. Then go to the junk yard with your list and have at it. Many of the clutch fans before 1990 have the same bolt pattern, that why the list is so big. Oh and I bought the Fan Clutch from Kragen since they have a lifetime warranty.
Allen
Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first.
Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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Here is a couple ways of doing this.
I got the 19" version (I have solid motor mounts) of this...
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HDA-3618/
If no one can help you out you can order this or click on the application chart and you will see 10 pages of cars you can find this fan off of that will fit the standard fan clutch. Then go to the junk yard with your list and have at it.
Many of the clutch fans before 1990 have the same bolt pattern, that why the list is so big.
Oh and I bought the Fan Clutch from Kragen since they have a lifetime warranty.
So you got the 3618 fan & the 2765 Hayden clutch?
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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05/30/10 07:15 PM
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I used a late model ('96 or 7-ish..) Tbird fan before. Was awesome and moved a TON of air, even on the low speed (they are a 2 speed unit) they are pretty deep is the only issue. They fit the 28" Summit radiators perfectly too. This time around on my current build, I am using twin Spal fans, since don't have the depth for a single big fan with the motor in the middle. The twin allow me more room right in the center where the water pump hub is (non-Mopar setup) Car is nearly done, so can't say for sure how the system will cool...but I am hoping it should do the trick.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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It may be better to get this one for some reason the 18 I have listed requires a spacer? http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DER-17918/or this one since i got the 5719 and it bolted on without a problem, this is the 5718 http://www.summitracing.com/parts/FLX-5718/
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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Look at the note I circled on the original fan number I gave.
Allen
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Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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What rotation do i need, clockwise or counter-clockwise, both those fans have different rotations?
Man theres tons of those fans & clutches, Hayden's not showing the 2765 clutch, how did you get that #, they don't even show dementions or height. I called Autozone & that hayden 2765 is a good part #, it'll have to be ordered & its 39.99.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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Clockwise the application is for a Jaguar, early mid 90s XJ6 or XJS
Allen
Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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05/31/10 08:44 AM
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That would have been good info ... yesterday morning, pre-Sawzall.
I'm sure it weakens the structure a little, but in a frontal impact I don't see a missing strip of thin sheetmetal 1/2" wide making the difference whether the car; or driver; survives the event.
In the case of an a-body Barracuda, installing a fiberglass header panel would weaken it much more in the same area.
If my fenders collapse, I'll post pics!
Modern cars use nothing more than thin sheetmetal structures like our core support. They hold up in collisions MUCH better than our old cars. It's all in how the structure is built. A flimsy piece of thin sheet with a few bends in it becomes really strong in compression. It's like a piece of angle iron. It'll take much heavier loads than a similar thickness of flat steel. You're not going to walk out one morning and find your fenders collapsed on one another. However, if you ever tag the wall during a race or get hit from the side you stand to take much more damage. Your inner fender is your only defense. With a complete upper tie bar both inner fenders work to keep the front end pointed in the same direction.
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Re: HHR elec. fans "again"?
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05/31/10 10:58 AM
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That would have been good info ... yesterday morning, pre-Sawzall.
I'm sure it weakens the structure a little, but in a frontal impact I don't see a missing strip of thin sheetmetal 1/2" wide making the difference whether the car; or driver; survives the event.
In the case of an a-body Barracuda, installing a fiberglass header panel would weaken it much more in the same area.
If my fenders collapse, I'll post pics!
Modern cars use nothing more than thin sheetmetal structures like our core support. They hold up in collisions MUCH better than our old cars. It's all in how the structure is built. A flimsy piece of thin sheet with a few bends in it becomes really strong in compression. It's like a piece of angle iron. It'll take much heavier loads than a similar thickness of flat steel. You're not going to walk out one morning and find your fenders collapsed on one another. However, if you ever tag the wall during a race or get hit from the side you stand to take much more damage. Your inner fender is your only defense. With a complete upper tie bar both inner fenders work to keep the front end pointed in the same direction.
I'm 100% with ya on this feet, thats why i won't cut that area, when you meantion an "upper tie bar", this is exactly what the Camaro guys do, especially with the 4th. gens., they run a cross tie bar to each shock tower for side too side strength, obviously this is done for a reason, its not just for show.
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