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barton hemi rockers #704586
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look what i got today,they are trick.

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70 charger ,all aluminum 528 hemi 727 cope rmvb,680hp 670 tq,full sequential holley hp efi,full hotchkis tvs,qa1 k and lowers,borgeson steering box cass viper 11.75 with cass s-trac dana 3.54
Re: barton hemi rockers [Re: sublimehemi] #704587
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look what i got today,they are trick.




nice,very very nice
guess you took out a 2nd mortgage.

you made the right choice.

Re: barton hemi rockers [Re: sublimehemi] #704588
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nice for $3500


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Re: barton hemi rockers [Re: moparniac] #704589
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nice for $3500




$3400.00 lol

Re: barton hemi rockers [Re: JACKSON] #704590
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$3400.00 lol




$3400 can't I get a complete 360 crate motor for that price?

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Re: barton hemi rockers #704592
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edelbrock/mopar heads with cast mp valve covers,seem to fit good,i noticed in this kit there are two sizes of shims,since i am running factory installed height springs,do i need any shims?


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Re: barton hemi rockers [Re: sublimehemi] #704593
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Rockers themselves are great, But would recommend some mods to the oiling. those tubes down the center a marginal at best. Been fighting a set for 6 months now (burned pushrods) ended up making a set of spraybars for the valve covers to rain down from above that fixed the problem. Tried more holes,bigger holes, none were enough to fix it. Called Barton,said they were aware of the problem,and to drill more holes. Was not happy.

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I AM GONNA RUN EDM FERRARA TOOL SOLIDS WITH PUSHROD OILING WILL THIS HELP?


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Did they change something with these rockers? I have a set in my car since 2004 and haven't had a problem. I just put in new roller lifters last weekend and everything looked good. Oil everywere and nothing blue.
I have about 1500 street miles on the motor and maybe 20 times down the track since the motor was last apart.
Maybe I've just been lucky so far?

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I don't know what shims you are talking about ?




shims under the rocker pedastals...


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Re: barton hemi rockers #704598
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i been here reading posts alot,and talkin to barton,roller cams walk alot in b/rb,wear cam buttons ,then bronze oil shafts wear very quick...not really street-able.i dont want to go belt drive,too much money....for a belt to wear so quick,then i have seen my friends pins on his roller lifters come out,plus they are heavy and depending on the base circle on the cam,the tie bars might hit the block and or pushrods might rub,plus they are heavy.barton even talked me out of it sayin i will have problems if i go roller in a hemi,just not reliable he said.fred dont get me wrong i love love rollers,but i hate problems more than anything in a build or when its done.my friends 408 mustang has a thrust plate so his cam does not walk,he gets to runs a steel gear dizzy shaft with his roller cam.

i am gonna run nitrated solid flat tappet cam,tool steel lightweight ferrera solid edm lifters,manton pushrods with oiling and a pro gear timing set.if some has a better suggestion please post.


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Re: barton hemi rockers [Re: sublimehemi] #704599
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i been here reading posts alot,and talkin to barton,roller cams walk alot in b/rb,wear cam buttons



Not really. If you use a nice stout cast timing cover and a roller cam button, it will outlast the motor



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,then bronze oil shafts wear very quick...not really street-able.



This you do have to watch, but it's so easy to check



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,then i have seen my friends pins on his roller lifters come out,plus they are heavy and depending on the base circle on the cam,the tie bars might hit the block and or pushrods might rub,plus they are heavy.



These things just are not a problem with a good good solid roller lifter like from Isky or Crower or the new Elites from Comp. Heavier than a solid - sure - but that has not been a problem with racers. Tie bars don't hit the block. Pushrods may hit the block and heads anyway. It's more a function of where the rocker arms position the top of the pushrod than it is the cam type.



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barton even talked me out of it sayin i will have problems if i go roller in a hemi,just not reliable he said.


I have built many solid roller Hemis for the street and most common complaint was valve noise. IMO the only valid point was wearing the intermediate gear.

Buying a rocker arm setup like this and running a solid cam just seems weird to me.

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I have to agree. super high dollars rockers like that seem overkill for your setup. good luck with the build though!


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Re: barton hemi rockers [Re: sublimehemi] #704601
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Nice product, a bit of overkill for most engines.
I was surprised to see comments (not claims made by Barton) on other BBS that "side-thrust is eliminated", and "the exhaust rocker weight is substantially reduced".
Neither of these are true. The skewed exhaust rockers now have thrust in both axes at both the roller tip and the pushrod adjuster, and the tip now rolls across the stem tip in one plane and scrubs sideways in the other (although the amount is small). The weight saved is mostly in the (missing) central cylinder body, which has almost no inertial content.

I'm also surprised that Barton does not claim something very useful: his allows independent intake and exhaust rocker shaft height adjustments for geometry. If you have a dual pattern cam with different lifts, this is helpful.
To adjust both, shim the entire plate.
To adjust only the exhausts, shim all 8 individual bases.
To adjust only the intakes, shim the intake stands.
1-piece shaft stands, such as stock, are a headache here: if you move the stand, all rocker move the same amount, which means you need lash caps (or G_d forbid, angle-milling the stands) to correct geo on only 1 side.

Does his literature include any tips for geo correction?


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Re: barton hemi rockers [Re: moparniac] #704602
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I just replaced the Comp Cams lifters with the Isky EZ rolls.
If these live up to their name their is no reason to not to run a roller on the street except the intermediate shaft.

FYI Barton hates running roller cams on the street.

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thanks for the info guy keep it commin,i have not ordered cam,lifters pushrods yet so i am stiil open minded.i would have never bought this barton set up cause as you see,i have new mp rockers,new mp shafts and billet cnc steel stands no longer made by megaparts.i know this is the hot set and proven and oils very well,but i got the best deal of a lifetime on this new barton set up.if i told you how much i paid you will not believe me,the guy was local and was hurting for dough.

how come my buddys ford 408 can run a steel gear on a custom ground roller cam that was made for my buddy by bullet?he is a touch over 600 lift too....can a b/rb/hemi be set up like this?are they using a different process's to make ford cams?please explain....


70 charger ,all aluminum 528 hemi 727 cope rmvb,680hp 670 tq,full sequential holley hp efi,full hotchkis tvs,qa1 k and lowers,borgeson steering box cass viper 11.75 with cass s-trac dana 3.54
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Re: barton hemi rockers [Re: sublimehemi] #704605
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Hey, the Barton/TD Roller Rockers are top of the line stuff. I don't see the down side to using them on the street. Yes they are more money but at least you only have to buy the rockers once.
No sense on skimping when it comes to Hemi Valve train, it will cost you now or later, and LATER is usually more expensive.

Just my opinion.

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