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Re: How much the car...or the driver? #699295 05/16/10 10:37 AM 05/16/10 10:37 AM
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Anonymous OP Unregistered A	That I believe you need both but a good driver will always have the advantage.

Re: How much the car...or the driver? #699296 05/16/10 10:41 AM 05/16/10 10:41 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey J jamesc master
jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	i've seen guys that could win with a shopping cart. it always helps to have a consistant car but the bulk of winning is on the driver. another thing to consider is who's working on the car. if you have a successful driver and they also happen to be the one turning the wrenches then the driver plays an even greater role. i know my car has carried me through more than a few rounds but in the end it's the driver that is normally the deciding factor. on another note what's up with the arrow?

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Re: How much the car...or the driver? #699298 05/16/10 10:50 AM 05/16/10 10:50 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,924 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer Too Many Posts
tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,924 United Socialist States of Ame...	Quote: Looks like 512 Jim.... Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: How much the car...or the driver? #699299 05/16/10 10:52 AM 05/16/10 10:52 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA Jeepmon master
Jeepmon master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,094 Sunnyvale, CA	You guys are the veteran racers with a ton of years behind you.. I'm just a rookie newbie thats trying to figure out if I have what it takes to play.. So far, in my limited experience, I see it as being very very important to have a car that can run the numbers over n over again.. any monkey can push the go pedal and pull the lever when the light comes on.. but without having a quality car.. who cares.. 73 Duster 360 stroker http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2594657

Re: How much the car...or the driver? [Re: Jeepmon] #699300 05/16/10 10:56 AM 05/16/10 10:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,179 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,179 Park Forest, IL	A good driver can do more with a mediocre car than a mediocre driver can do with a good car. "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

Re: How much the car...or the driver? #699301 05/16/10 11:05 AM 05/16/10 11:05 AM
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RC91 member Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 151 MotorCity	You can have the best built, finest tuned, fastest car in the world. But it's still up to the driver to get it to the finish line first. Although I have not made it to the finals many times in my race car due to the huge car count and many good drivers, every time I drove my daily driver to the track and raced in trophy, I made it to the final round and many times won turning mid 15's. Almost all of them were won due to RT.

Re: How much the car...or the driver? #699302 05/16/10 11:16 AM 05/16/10 11:16 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC	I think it takes several things: 1) Driver (RT, finish line driving, shifting, staging, setting/controlling temps, burnout technique (same) etc) 2) Car (consistancy, predictability, goes straight, hooks, etc) 3) Crew chief (dial-in, tune-up, maintenance, etc) 4) LUCK - the other racer's package can be better! It looks like I listed more things under "driver"... But a junk car ain't going to win many races with any driver. I like the "mediocre" statement. 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: How much the car...or the driver? [Re: 440Jim] #699303 05/16/10 11:41 AM 05/16/10 11:41 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey J jamesc master
jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	Quote: I like the "mediocre" statement. yea i think Dennis pretty much summed it up there.

Re: How much the car...or the driver? [Re: jamesc] #699304 05/16/10 11:43 AM 05/16/10 11:43 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394 Q Quicktree I Win
Quicktree I Win Q Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,394	you need both

Re: How much the car...or the driver? [Re: Quicktree] #699305 05/16/10 12:01 PM 05/16/10 12:01 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,363 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,363 Las Vegas	I agree that you need both. But a great driver can win in a good car more so than a good driver in a great car. I have seen guys step into cars they are unfamiliar with and win. A lot more racers are lost by the driver than the car. I think Eric example is a good case study of that. The man has two cars and wins in both. One he just bought, I guess the question on the roadster is what was it's previous record with the last owner/driver? "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: How much the car...or the driver? [Re: Al_Alguire] #699306 05/16/10 12:19 PM 05/16/10 12:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,989 Anoka County, MN L Leigh master
Leigh master L Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,989 Anoka County, MN	You need both. BUT, I've had days where I was sick, or not sharp, that the car won many rounds for me. I haven't had a working car like that for 10 years. B i t e s.

Re: How much the car...or the driver? [Re: Al_Alguire] #699307 05/16/10 12:24 PM 05/16/10 12:24 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,179 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,179 Park Forest, IL	Quote: I have seen guys step into cars they are unfamiliar with and win. Like Tony. Then you got your freaks of nature like Fletcher, Bogaki, Beard, etc...... "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

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Re: How much the car...or the driver? #699309 05/16/10 09:41 PM 05/16/10 09:41 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 12,129 Cleveland sunroofgtx I Live Here
sunroofgtx I Live Here Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 12,129 Cleveland	DiscoQuik can win in a tranny-slipping, one-wheelie-peelie, dead-cylinder 4 banger... Yes the driver's make the difference.. Hi Eric !! Join the quickest team in motorsports. Team FireCore. CustomWiresets.com

Re: How much the car...or the driver? #699310 05/16/10 09:47 PM 05/16/10 09:47 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,328 St. Louis, MO mopardamo pro stock
mopardamo pro stock Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,328 St. Louis, MO	Hello Eric, That question is so so loaded. Have a friend that cannot get his junk down the track without breaking it in 4 tries now due to his lack of driving ability. Have a cousin that is dead on with anything. I did not vote because I'm a both kinda guy. Damon

Re: How much the car...or the driver? [Re: mopardamo] #699311 05/17/10 08:46 PM 05/17/10 08:46 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,161 Mississippi M Mr. T super stock
Mr. T super stock M Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,161 Mississippi	It is DEFINITELY the driver that makes the difference. My son races a V/6 Chevy Cavilier that he drives to the track. He has beaten so many electronic equipped cars while footbraking his car, that none of the local track owner's will allow him to compete against them anymore. I guess the owner's got tired of hearing all the crying from them AFTER they lost the race.

Re: How much the car...or the driver? [Re: 440Jim] #699312 05/17/10 08:52 PM 05/17/10 08:52 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: I think it takes several things: 1) Driver (RT, finish line driving, shifting, staging, setting/controlling temps, burnout technique (same) etc) 2) Car (consistancy, predictability, goes straight, hooks, etc) 3) Crew chief (dial-in, tune-up, maintenance, etc) 4) LUCK - the other racer's package can be better! It looks like I listed more things under "driver"... But a junk car ain't going to win many races with any driver. I like the "mediocre" statement. it takes both

Re: How much the car...or the driver? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #699313 05/17/10 09:12 PM 05/17/10 09:12 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,628 Columbus, Ohio wheelsup68dart master
wheelsup68dart master Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,628 Columbus, Ohio	Driver hands down, most racers have egos the size of Texas(I know I am one of them) and cannot admit to being the one at fault for inconsistencies. I.E. car fell of .02, 60' times all over the place. We all wanna blame the car for these factors instead of realizing that usually it is the driver that stages the car an extra 1/2" deep or shallow round to round is the problem. NOT THE CAR in most situations. I accepted full responsibility for performing like crap this last weekend, loss of focus was more than likely the fault for my cars inconsistent reaction times and ET's

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